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They Are The Code: Girls in Tech Build a New World

Global GoalsCast regularly highlights the importance of educating girls. This episode Co-hosts Edie Lush and Claudia Romo Edelman talk with two remarkable women whose lives dramatize how much difference a woman can make when she is trained in technology. Marieme Jamme, founder of #Iamthecode, tells her story: Sold into prostitution as a teenager in Senegal, she escaped the traffickers, taught herself to read, write and code and ultimately founded the program that intends to teach a million girls to code by 2030. Victoria Alonso Perez grew up in Uruguay dreaming of Mars. Uruguay has no space program but Victoria persisted and became a trained engineer working with small satellites. Now she is using that training to help her country’s ranchers solve their biggest problems — tracking their cattle herds, preventing theft and reducing the carbon footprint of raising beef. Also, Shamina Singh, President of the Center for Inclusive Growth and EVP for Sustainability at our new sponsor, MasterCard, describes Girls4Tech, a program started in 2014 to teach the foundations of STEM to 10 to 13 year olds. Photo Credit: IamtheCODE.

Featured guests

Loise Wambui

Loise Wambui is a young and dynamic leader from Nairobi, Kenya. She is currently the Assistant to the CEO of iamtheCODE in Kenya. She is passionate about Climate Change and Environmental conservation and has led successful environmental campaigns that have led to policy change in Kenya. Wambui is also passionate about service to the community and has been involved in the setting up of community libraries, tech hubs and provision of free medical camps in Kenya.

Federica Ilaneza

Since 2015, Federica has worked at Casarone Agroindustrial SA as the Ranch Administrator. Ranch “San Fernando” Beef production. Departamento de Treinta y Tres. Uruguay Ranch “Rio Branco”, Departamento de Cerro Largo, Uruguay. Ranch that produces rice and beef. Responsibilities: beef production, animal nutrition, pasture management, human resources. 

Mariéme Jamme

Mariéme Jamme is an award-winning Technologist and pioneer in system change, a Young Global Leader of the World Economic Forum. In sept 2017, she won the Innovation Award at the Global Goals Award 2017 by UNICEF and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as a GoalKeeper for her work in advancing the United Nation Sustainable Development Goals, supporting globally young women and girls and governments. A BBC 100 Women nominee, she was named twice on the UK Powerlist 2017 and 2018 of Britain’s 100 most influential people of African and African Caribbean Heritage, Mariéme Jamme is a Senegalese-born British businesswoman and investor in technology. Her consultancy company Spotone Global Solutions helps technology companies to set a foothold in Africa, Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. 

Victoria Alonsoperez

Victoria is an Electronics, Telecommunication, and Electrical Engineer, entrepreneur, and inventor. In 2012 she invented Chipsafer, a patented platform that can track cattle remotely and autonomously. Thanks to Chipsafer in 2012 she was the winner of the International Telecommunications Union Young Innovators Competition and in 2013 she won the Best Young Inventor Award from the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). In 2014 the Inter-American Development Bank selected Chipsafer as the Most Innovative Startup of Latin America and the Caribbean, and the MIT Technology Review selected me Victoria Innovator of the Year – Argentina & Uruguay. In 2015 Chipsafer got second prize in Chivas Regal Global Competition The Venture and the BBC selected her as one of the 30 female entrepreneurs under 30. In 2017 she was invited to present Chipsafer at the Solutions Summit at United Nations Headquarters in New York during the UN General Assembly and in 2018 the UN selected her as United Nations Young Leader for the Sustainable Development Goals. 

Shamina Singh

Shamina Singh is President of the Center for Inclusive Growth and Executive Vice President of Sustainability at Mastercard. In these roles she is responsible for advancing equitable economic growth and inclusion around the world. A graduate of the Shamina Singh is President of the Center for Inclusive Growth and Executive Vice President of Sustainability at Mastercard. In these roles she is responsible for advancing equitable economic growth and inclusion around the world. A graduate of the Presidential Leadership Fellows program, an alum of the Young Global Leaders program of the World Economic Forum, a Henry Crown Fellow with the Aspen Institute, she currently sits on the boards of the Beeck Center for Social Impact and Innovation at Georgetown University, Data & Society, and the Global Health Corps. Prior to joining Mastercard, Shamina led Government and Public Affairs for Nike and spent five years with Citi’s Global Community Development Group. Over a 15-year career in the public sector, Shamina has held senior positions in the White House and the U.S. House of Representatives.

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Elizabeth:  00:03 It doesn’t matter that I’m a refugee, that is only a status. It is never written on my face never written on anything of mine. It is never going to determine my destiny because I’m the one to write my destiny. I write my own story.

Mariéme Jamme: 00:15 To invest in these girls, to see them differently. Not just an object of development but see them as women who can actually do something with their life and give them job skills and give them the dignity back.

Loise  00:27  We went to my village and we asked the children to draw a computer and they could not even pass on much a computer was.

Victoria Alonso Perez:  00:33  I never gave up because my passion for space was so big that I kept pushing.

EGL: 00:52 Welcome to the Global GoalsCast

CRE: 00:54 The podcast that explores how can we change the world?

EGL:  00:58  This episode, arming girls with the power of technology, but first a shout out to our sponsors. We can’t make the global goals cast without you.

MC:  01:11 Later in the episode, we speak with another leading woman in technology. Shamina Singh, president of the Mastercard Center for inclusive growth. You’ll hear her describe how innovation can drive inclusion, which in turn can power societies and economies. Also our thanks to CBS News, digital and to Harmon, the official sound of global goals cast.

CRE: 01:35 Welcome back. I’m Claudia Romo Edelman. Welcome to season two

EGL:  01:38  and I am Edie lush. So Claudia, here’s a test for you – a New Year’s test. What are we all about here at global goals cast?

CRE: 01:47        Well, those amazing female voices at the top, said it all. We at the Global GoalsCast are about making sure that you know the world, is making progress, and we highlight the voices of the champions making a difference. In season two, we’re going to focus on inclusion because the world is already diverse and we just have to make sure that we make it inclusive for everyone and bring everyone to the table so that we can achieve an equal world for all. And we are very openly biased towards girls and women.

EGL:  02:17           This episode is about opening up a better world for girls by giving them the tools of technology. We’re going to meet some amazing women. How about a Latina space engineer who’s using what she learned from programming satellites to track cows for farmers in Uruguay and keep track of those cows’ carbon emissions.

CRE: 02:41             Ah da me la todo mami – meaning I want to hear that. Satellites are awesome. Cows are cool. And the cows in Uruguay, that beef in Uruguay. I spent actually quite some days this holiday trying to herd the cattle in Uruguay.

EGL:  02:56    You did?

CRE:  02:56     I did

EGL:  02:57      You’re going to hear about the Latino space engineer in a bit,

EGL:  03:00            but first of all, I want you to hear from one of my favourite people in the world. That’s besides you, Claudia.   Mariéme Jamme. I’ve been interviewing her for a few years. She’s a world economic forum young global leader and she won a gates foundation award for her work creating I am the code. It’s a movement empowering 1 million young women and girls to become coders by 2030,

CRE: But it wasn’t always Gates awards and podcast interviews for Mariéme.

Mariéme Jamme:  03:36   My country Senegal, in the 1970’s it’s still a very class system. My mother comes from a Oligarch family. And so my mother had us outside her caste so they rejected us as children.  So they made us live in a village in complete poverty.  At the age of 11 years old I was raped by my teacher.  I was trafficked from Senegal when I was 13 years old to France.  I was a young prostitute in France.. It wasn’t something I wanted to do. I was under the tube station in France until I got picked up by the French police. My life started really when I was 15 years old. 15 years of my life was taken away from me. it was a very difficult upbringing.  I owe a lot to the United Kingdom. That’s where I learned how to read and write properly, educated myself, um, at the local library. I just fell in love with books and fell in love with the library because that was my safe space.  I was starting my alphabet when I was 16. The education we take for granted today in Europe and also in the United States, many people who come from marginalized communities and deprived communities don’t have that.

EGL:  04:43           Just eight years after learning her ABC’s, she was calling out the biggest names in entertainment. She became an activist after writing an open and critical blog to Bob Geldof and Bono criticizing the way Africa was being portrayed in commercials for live aid. She saw girls like herself in those ads and wondered why they never bothered to speak to anyone that they were showing. While she laughs about the broken English she wrote that blog in now – her point was, why are you speaking for Africa? Why don’t you let Africa speak for itself?

Mariéme Jamme: 05:19  The blog was picked up by the guardian and then I got called to come and join the global development community as an advisor, advise on how we can be impartial on African content. I was vocal, but at the same time I had to out of legitimacy to speak for poor people and for young girls and for the poverty in Africa.

EGL:  05:37 Mariéme wanted to be more than just a voice and an adviser.  She wanted to give more women the ability to speak for themselves,  I am the code does just that – bringing girls together to teach life skills like speaking up for what they care about and giving them the technology to do something about it.

Mariéme Jamme: 05:56  I wanted to use a skill I actually have and not only emphasize with young girls and women, but also teach them the skills I know, which I know that will be sustainable, will be impactful. And then I just started I am the code and I gave myself a goal to get 1 million women and girls coding by 2030.The first thing we do is we organize hackathons. I am the code is based on the sustainable development goals. So we bring the girls in with the private sector to get in one room to discuss gender equality, climate change and key topics that is affecting our world.

EGL:  06:34      When I went to one of her events I saw girls sitting in a safe space, sitting, learning about gender equality, climate change, clean water, quality education, meaningful jobs, menstrual health, gender based violence.  They come up with ideas about how they can improve their own lives, their own schools and neighborhoods with technology..                            

Mariéme Jamme: 06:49  And the second they have digital clubs, so we have our own computer kit is the raspberry Pi based computer. And we have online content and curriculum, which is free. all these girls can use wherever they are in the world, and we open safe spaces for them so they can sit and learn, but also they can do this remotely. You don’t need to know how to code to be part of I am the code everything is self explanatory. Private Sector would like to hire the 100 women Java coders or data analyst or scientists or program managers. We can provide these people as well.

EGL:  07:28           She prepares them for jobs for life too, with techniques so that they can make their own choices about healthy eating and caring for their bodies. That was at the heart of her critique of Geldof and Bono. She took them to task for dictating Western ideas. Her goal now is for the girls she teaches to come up with solutions for the problems they face.

Mariéme Jamme: 07:51              So many issues that women and girls are facing we don’t have any solutions targeted for women, especially from the marginalized communities, and so I just thought that by teaching them how to code and giving them digital skills, I think that’s, that’s our duty as as technologists.

Edie Lush: 08:06              At Mariéme’s I’m the code events. I love seeing how she inspires the girls, but what’s really moving is to see how the girls inspire her.

Mariéme Jamme:  08:16              I see myself all the time. I cry a lot when I see them, but I cry in many ways. I cried because now I can help them. Also, I cried that society still failing them in someone is deciding, deciding  their life. The system hasn’t changed that much. I can relate to them. I can, I can see exactly the dreams they have, you know, the lack of a lack of opportunities and networks and connections.

Loise Wambui: 08:42              The world is a global village, however there are still children who, who’ve never seen something like a computer. So there’s a time we went to my village, back to my village, we were trying to set up a library and we asked the children to draw a computer and they could not even fathom what a computer was.

Edie Lush:  09:03              That’s Loise Wambui, assistant to, and protege of Mariéme. She grew up in Miri a small village deep in the mountains of Kenya. She loved reading the Hardy Boys, got straight As through high school and studied mathematics and economics through university. She realised her real passion was for the environment and helping people.

Loise Wambui:   09:23              When I joined I Am The Code, I got to meet very many people through Mariéme. I got to meet people who helped me pushing my work forward, so now I get to explore both my strengths my passions. Now I’m able to interact with the young girls and the young women so I’m going to teach them about what is climate change about technology. I have projects in Kibera, in a slum like Madare, Ncorogocho.  . These are places that we have gone as I am the Code. Then we reached out to some of the girls who’ve been affected by FGM, which is female genital mutilation. And early marriages. We reached out to the girls in Kakuma which is the refugee camp in Kenya and the girls that are in Kakuma refugee camp.  These are girls who cannot leave the camp because they are in the country on refugee status. So for the first time this year, we celebrated the International Day of the girl with them.

Loise Wambui: 10:21              Miriam came over to Kenya and we went all the way to Kakuma and we give some computers and they started their coding lessons.  Seeing and hearing the big dreams that they have and just interacting with them and getting to see that they have not put themselves in this tiny box that the world puts them in.  Their dreams are quite big. It’s very inspiring for me. One girl at a time we are strengthening the community because we involve the communities that we work with in our work. We look for mentors among the people who are in the community. So these girls get to learn from the people that they know. These are people that look like them.  There’s something about young black girls from the village, from the slums, even from the town seeing a black woman, who has made it, because then they too know they can make it.

Aboll: 11:24                 I felt very happy to see Mariéme coming all the way from UK up to here to help us, and I’m so thankful to her also. I like her confidence and how she talks. I also like to be like her in future. Today I’ve learned about the 17 big goals and I’ve also learned about the code.

Elizabeth: 11:24               It doesn’t matter that I’m a refugee, that is only a status. But it is never written on my face never written on anything of mine. It will never destroy my destiny, or is never going to determine my destiny because I’m the one to write my destiny. I write my own story.

Edie Lush:11:54              Those are some clips of Elizabeth and Aboll.  Secondary school students who live in Kakuma refugee camp and these are just some of the girls Mariéme has worked with. I equally could have featured some girls from India, Brazil, China. You can watch those clips in our social media feed. Mariéme herself finds it hard to believe just how far she’s come.

Mariéme Jamme: 12:30              I can sit down at the United Nations at 44 years old, but if you asked me 1990s that I’ll do that, that’s not possible. I was a street kid I was on the street eating one meal a day and not having clothes my, my life was in the hands of NGOs and Oxfam and, and, and, and all these SOS villages.So I was wearing old clothes, uh, you know, so now, and I’m here going back to the refugee, campss, uh, you know, helping young women and girls and rather than giving them old clothes, I’m giving them computer kits I’m giving them raspberry pis because I know that is the future. I am not saying there is no poverty in the camp, I’m not saying there’s no poverty in Africa. What I’m trying to do is change the mindset of yes, I need some clothes, but I also need some skills because if I have skills, I can buy more clothes.

Mariéme Jamme: 13:22              I am, the code is mobilizing government and private sector and philanthropy foundations to invest in these girls, to see them differently. Not just an object of development but see them as women who can actually do something with their life and give them jobs and skills and give them the dignity back. When a young woman has got money, when she has good skills, when she knows that she’s safe and she can express herself, she’s part of the world and that’s what I’m trying to tell the world by 2030. watch me because I am going to teach 1 million women and girls how to code.

EGL:  13:56           and she continues to be a voice for Africa.

Mariéme Jamme:  14:00              The African continent is growing and there is still poverty of course, but there is poverty everywhere – in the United States, in the UK where I live. Africans want to change the narrative. Yes, of course we focus on refugees and in the problems that is in Africa, but African poverty is manmade because for many, many years in Africa has been in hand of the global development communities. You know, Africans never had they say in many many ways and now for the, for the last 10 years, the last 15 years, Africans are waking up and creating businesses. They invested in the continent. They’re going back home. A typical example to show how Africa is progressing. In 1994, when Bob Geldof went on stage to scream to the world to help Ethiopia that Ethiopia was dying with famine. That was good because that was the time that he could both educating the westerners to help the Horn of Africa and how to help Ethiopia. . But today Ethiopia in 2018 Ethiopia has 64 percent of the parliament in Ethiopia is women. And they elected the first African president. They’re reducing poverty. If we go to hotels in Addis, it’s unbelievable. So I think that’s the sort of narrative changing to progress. Not to famine. Yes Famine existed, but they overcome famine. Genocide existed in Rwanda, but they overcome genocide. We just need to move forward with, with positivity, but also allow Africans to build their own narratives.

CRE: 15:21           You can learn more about Marié Jamme and her work at GlobalGoals.org or at #amthecode

EGL: We’re going to meet another remarkable women in technology. After the break. Now we’re going to hear from mastercard’s Shamina Singh, president of the Mastercard Center for inclusive growth who is  going to share how innovation can drive inclusion, which can in turn power societies and economies

CRE:  And now is the time for the interview with Shamina Singh. President of the Mastercard Center for inclusive growth. And actually this is very pertinent because one year ago when we launched the Global GoalsCast, we did it at Shamina’s dinner in Davos. So it is fantastic to have you here.

Shamina Singh:  I’m delighted to be here.

CRE:  The center of inclusive growth, which now literally is the DNA of mastercard. Why do you see financial inclusion for women to be such a critical topic?

Shamina Singh: 16:30              It’s just a thrill to be here with the both of you having this conversation. I feel like it’s been one we’ve been having for years and to actualize it during this podcast is really delightful. So thank you both for having me here. The idea of financial independence, economic empowerment and control over finance is a cornerstone of how anyone can make it or break it in this world. Unfortunately, what we found is that women have been left out of that process on a scale that is not only hurting families and communities, but it’s hurting economies. What’s more important is it’s actually lost opportunity and I think it’s why it’s important. It’s actually part of the sustainable development goals because as we all know, if you realize the economic potential of women, the world transforms and transforms in a way that achieves growth for everybody.

EGL: 17:27            We heard Shamina from Mariéme Jamme, whom I know you know about I am the code. She’s a fellow young global leader. Tell us about mastercard’s girls for tech.

Shamina Singh: 17:36              Yes. Mariéme is a very good friend and she’s doing incredible work and I think with people like her and with the girls for Tech Program that actually Mastercard launched in 2014. Again, we’re going to create a new set of actors in the technology space that heretofore just haven’t been there unless we make sure that women and girls have access to the learning to the tools, to the education that’s required to not only succeed in this new economy but actually shape the new economy. We won’t realize the potential of what’s possible. So girls for tech is about creating future problem solvers. That’s how we see girls in the future and right now, so we have to make sure that the stem principles are shared equally and we have a goal actually to reach 200,000 girls by 2020. We’re halfway there in 25 countries.  Because we’re a global company with network all over the world – we’re in 210 markets. When you’re a company like mastercard who has reached everywhere – ubiquitous, you have an opportunity to reach everyone everywhere.

EGL:  18:48 Welcome back to global GoalsCast Claudia. You have another amazing woman to introduce us to.

CRE: Yes, Edie.  She is an Ambassador from our partner One Young World –   we caught up with her on a cattle ranch in her home country of Uruguay where I happened to spent my holidays this year.

Victoria Alonso Perez: 19:09              Hi, my name is Victoria Alonzo Perez and I am the founder of Chipsafer. I am an electronics and telecommunications engineer, but I used to work with small satellites and I love space.  When I was four years old my Dad, who is an accountant, he was writing numbers on a piece of paper and I asked him what was the use of those numbers. So he took me to the window and it was a full moon day. So he pointed to the window and he told me that humans had been there thanks to the appropriate combination of those numbers. So from that day I knew that I wanted to work in aerospace for sure. Growing up, most people told me that I will never be able to have an aerospace career. Um, in school my classmates, would tease me all the time.  In Uruguay we have no aerospace industry so for me to be at 10 years old telling my classmates that I wanted to be an aerospace engineer and work at NASA, that it was something really, really strange for Uruguay because now we have internet and we have social media, so things are a bit closer, but back then NASA seemed to really, really far away from Uruguay.

CRE:  20:19           The stars inspired her.  But it was a trip to the happiest place on earth that sealed the deal.  A family trip to Florida really set Victoria on her course

Victoria Alonso Perez: 20:28              When I was 10 years old, my parents, they could fortunately take us to Disney World. And since we were in Disney World in Orlando, my dad knew that I loved space. So for an entire day we went to NASA, so we did the whole NASA tour of Kennedy Space Center and that was unbelievable for me. I mean, I couldn’t believe where I was. but still that it was very far away.

Victoria Alonso Perez: 20:52              When I was 14 I started a project on, on how to colonize Mars. I presented it at the science fair and then I kept working on it. And when I was 21, I got this grant to present the project at the International Astronautical Congress. And that opened me so many doors. I mean, there I met everyone. I was even chair of Space Generation Advisory Council that is an organization is supportive of the United Nations Program on space applications.  I was chair of Space Generation Advisory Council. And through that, every year we do a congress that is called the Space Generation Congress. And every year we invite the NASA administrator, and when I was Chair we invited Charles Bolden, who also is a former astronaut. And he gave me an autographed book thanking me for the Organization of the Congress. So, so yeah, it was a very big journey going from that kid that everybody told will never get to be working at NASA. I never gave up because my passion for space was so big that I kept pushing and I think that’s my biggest advice is that if you have a passion for something, don’t give up. You will only succeed if you’re doing what you love.

CRE: 21:57    Victoria had two passions. Space and her native Uruguay. And she put them together…

Victoria Alonso Perez: 22:05              Farming I knew a lot because I am Uruguayan and our main source of export in Uruguay is livestock.  My country depends a lot on it. and I realized that the technology that I was using I could actually use it to impact the rural sector of my country.

 CRE: 22:22              And so she invented Chipsafer

Victoria Alonso Perez: 22:26              Chip Safer is a platform that can track and detect anomalies in cattle behavior remotely and autonomously. The animal wears a self recharging device that transmits information about it to our company server for processing and analysis. So the farmer can know at all times where the animals are – also get warnings if an animal goes beyond the specified perimeter which is very important for cattle theft. They most amount of requests that we get from farmers is because of cattle theft.

EGL: Claudia I’d say rancher. What would you say?

CRE: 22:58                 I would say … ranchera.  But whatever we decide her title is, here is the woman in charge of the 6000 head of cattle on the ranch Cassarone four and half hours outside Montevideo Uruguay. Fedyrica is currently testing the Chipsafer technology.

Fedyrica:23:28         Here we are having a problem with – they steal our cows. and now we’re trying to eliminate this problem. Putting a Gps in each cow to identify each of them.

CRE:23:40                 I asked Fedricaa what she did before Chipsafer.

Fedyrica: 23:44            We do the same that all the farmers here do. every day we look at them and try to count them. But sometimes it’s not possible. Now in this farm we have 6,000 cows. It’s a big farm. We always know how many cows we have.  The thing is perhaps one day they can kill us one cow and we, we don’t know where. With this we can have an alarms in our telephone that tell us where is that cow. The GPS send an alarm when the cow is out of the fencing.  We can call, for example the police also there is another company, it’s a company that received that alarm and the company will call the police.

CRE: 24:39 Chipsaver tracks each cow individually, sending data and even alarms to Fedyrica’s phone.  it’s much faster and more reliable than a rider on a horse.  But that doesn’t mean horses or rancheras are being put out of work.

Fedyrica:  24:54        Every day we have people that ride a horse. Everything is with a, with a horse. Technology is probably useful for us but never replace the horse and the work of the person.

CRE:25:08             So human, horse and technology will work together to protect the herd..  But Ultimately, this technology will do a lot more than just stop thieves, As victoria explains.

Victoria Alonso Perez:25:20              By monitoring the animals at all times you can get better statistics and better manage your herd. Also in terms of environment for example by knowing the exact location of the animals, we can tell you that the animals have not been raised in endangered areas such as the Amazon rain forests. We envisage a future where you can go and buy a piece of meat and you can know exactly where the animal was raised ensuring it was not having a negative impact on the environment.

 CRE: 26:00              From tracking satellites to herding cattle. It might sound like a big leap, but it’s just one small step for Victoria,

Victoria Alonso Perez:  26:09              So the problem that I saw was very similar. it’s in a very remote location of course in space and it has to, to be transmitting and receiving information while recharging by itself. And it also needs to have the position, you know, the position of where the, the satellite is and that is actually the same problem that you have when tracking livestock because livestock is in very remote locations. Especially in Latin America, farms are very big so the animals can be in very big expanses of land. So I needed a device that the animals could wear and that would recharge itself while sending and receiving information. In 2017 we did pilots in seven countries in four continents. And after those pilots we tested the technology which we showed that it worked. And then this year we focused entirely on the mass production. Now we are focusing mainly on Latin America even though we’re having requests from other parts of the world too.  So we are having a mass production and we expect to have next year a minimum of 10,000.

CRE: 27:17 Ultimately, victorious is helping to solve two major challenges. The first one is we need more food with less carbon emission. Livestock is a major source of greenhouse gas more than the steel and concrete industries put together, but the amount of greenhouse gas can be managed – even reabsorbed into the soil. If the rancher or ranchera has enough information.

Victoria Alonso Perez:  27:43              We have active traceability of animals so we can tell you where the animals have been at all times, making sure that the animals were not in any endangered areas. For example, the Amazon rainforest, but also if we can tell the amount of animals that there were per farm, we can also tell you how much the, the environmental impact was of the animal because the gases that the animals release, they can get reabsorbed by the soil, if the soil is not degradated. So that’s another thing that we’re working on, is on monitoring soil degradation  in order to tell you if all the gases are getting re-absorbed by by the soil. Our main market is the beef markets that is in very big extensions of land. So it’s beef that’s been raised where the soil can reabsorb all  the emissions.  With better management you can use much better use of resources. So I think that technology is bringing this agriculture 2.0 – in which more in which people are being way more efficient in taking care of the environment. Because what we need  in order to feed the growing population, we need more food but we need more food conscience, you know, that we’re not damaging the environment. So that’s how technology can really, really impact the world and really impact biodiversity.

CRE: 29:11           She designs satellites, she’s helping farmers, making more food for the world while protecting the enviornment…so we asked Fredyrica what is it like to work with Victoria?

Fedyrica:29:21         Shes so nice. She’s so young. It’s incredible how intelligent she is, and how can I say in English? I, I don’t, I know it’s perfect in Spanish… (speaks in Spanish)

EGL:  29:53             So what did she say there Claudia?

CRE: That she’s awesome.

EGL: That’s it? You’re the one who has trillions of words. We had like 30 seconds from her and that’s all I’m getting. – she’s awesome?

CRE:   Pretty much.  That’s actually the summary. She’s awesome and she’s one of many women working on bringing technology to agriculture. People that I know that we have mentioned in previous episodes like Marianna Vasconcelos from Agrismart.  There’s an incredible set of young women that are working on agriculture through technology.

EGL: People like the folks we heard who using the Maano app, not even the people who’ve invented them, but people who are using that technology to then bring others in their community around them. People like Charity in the new Lusaka market. People like Mainner Chabota that we featured in the episode on food who are using that technology using the Maano technology that Ebay for agriculture to bring others in their community to the table.  Claudia we always highlight three facts that you can use to impress your mother in law. This episode, those facts are going to be presented to us by our friend and colleague, Anjali from the Nevertheless podcast.

Anjali Ramachandran: 31:08              Hi Edie. Thanks very much for having me. My name is Anjali Ramachandran and I’m an Executive Producer of Nevertheless podcast, which we produce at Storythings `for Pearson,  Nevertheless is a podcast about the women changing teaching and learning through technology. I’m also a co-founder of Ada’s list, which is a global community for women and those who identify as women working in technology with over 6,000 members at the moment, and I’m really happy to be talking about the three facts for your podcast.The first one is that 88.5% of aerospace engineers are male. The second one is that the percentage of women in software engineering or web development roles in 2018 was 16 percent only. In 2014 that was 14 percent. It’s just a two percent increase. Not going fast enough in my opinion.And the third fact is that 60% of the FTSE250 companies have less than 25% representation of women on their boards.

CRE: 32:12      Here’s a bonus fact. Cattle ranching is a major source of the gases that warm the climate. Come back in 10 years and we will tell you how much Chipsafer has helped create new techniques to curb that.

EGL:  And we’re also going to give you three actions that you can take if you care about these issues and you want to do more. The first two come from Anjali of Nevertheless podcast.

Anjali Ramachandran: 32:39              The first action I think that all of you can take is to listen to Nevertheless, which you can download wherever you listen to your podcast app and nevertheless podcast  dot com. Our last episode or second last episode actually was about diversity and inclusion in the workplace in technology specifically where I spoke to a couple of really interesting women working in the field. The second action I would like for all of you to take is that if you’re in a hiring position, if you’re a manager or an owner of a company, try and make sure that you short list at least one woman and one person of color for the roles that you’re hiring for.

Edie Lush: 33:17              And the third comes from Mariéme Jamme.

Mariéme Jamme:  33:19              We need volunteers, we need mentors to mentor the girls. We need to spread the word. I think what you guys are doing and what Edie has been doing from the beginning is giving us a platform.  We need a platform to go and tell the world that these young woman exist. We need the private sector to hire them. They’re extremely amazing young women. Let’s see them as technologists of the future.

CRE:  33:46          Edie this is a fascinating start for our season two. I love that we are jumping straight into the we are all human main theory, which is that the world is already diverse. You don’t have to invent diversity. We’re making incredible progress on that front, but we might have to make it more inclusive so that people can bring their best selves to whatever they are doing and do the best for the world and so that we can achieve equity. So these episode for me shows that including women through technology is the way in which you can improve the world and also the fact that there are so many women involved in agriculture which is so important for the world and you’re adding the third element which is technology is amazing. I am increasingly and personally more interested in making sure that agriculture on the world and the lives of farmers is improved and better. I actually, Edie, just took an ambassador role to represent rancheras in Latin America. They are getting more sophisticated, not only in technology but also in the way that they want to be perceived and represented and they are asking people like me to go and speak out in platforms in different settings about the needs and about the pride and about their contributions.

CRE: 35:05                 I love it and I think the impact and the importance of agriculture is not to be underestimated. We’re going to have a billion more mouths to feed in the years ahead. We need to do it while reducing pollution while keeping plenty of clean water. And we’ve got Victoria working on that. We’ve got Mariéme working on that, Mariéme actually talks about the importance of healthy eating in I am the code. And I love how this episode relates back to our final episode of season one using technology to bring people

EGL:35:38          who hadn’t had it before. Improving their lives and bringing more people to the table.

CRE:  Yeah, and you know what I found fascinating – just recently. I was talking about the sustainable development goals with someone on you know, how vested that I am in this. I mean like that was my job before I was part of the conception of them.  But I never realized that inclusion is the one goal that corporations cannot say they have nothing to do and be involved with. If you think about it, corporations in everywhere around the world, the private sector could say, I have a say in climate change if that’s what they’re doing with water or I have something to do with below the water and under the water and so on. But at the end of the day when everybody has employees and everybody has human capital, they have to work in diversity and inclusion, so I love that this season is going to give corporations and all of our friends calls to action and activities and actions that they can be taken because inclusion is the one global goal that we can all pursue.

EGL: Can I give one geeky thing that I really liked about this episode?

CRE: I like when you go Geeky,

EGL:  So I love that Victoria was

EGL:  36:56 obsessed with space and by the way I was also obsessed with space growing up and I loved that she was a scientist using space science who then turned around to look down on the ground to use cattle in where she was from. We’ve also spoken to space scientists in our episodes on climate change who used the tools that they had originally developed looking at the moons of Jupiter to turn it back towards looking at Arctic melt. And what I love is that the same kind of connections we see within the sdgs. We also see in our guests using one skill to apply to another. I don’t know. That’s my geeky moment

CRE: And did want to be an astronaut?

EGL:    I did. My mom is actually in the studio room as I’m recording right now and she can testify that I did want to be an astronaut.

CRE: I cannot conceive you with like a loose dress with all of your very tight trousers.

EGL: 37:52        What do you mean? Like with the bubble over my head. I could totally rock the bubble.

CRE:  The bubble I can imagine though. Well Edie, this is the time to say goodbyes

EGL: And we are going to remind you to follow us on social media @globalgoalscast . Lke subscribe, download, rate us.

CRE: Your recommendation does matter. So do it. We’re doing this to improve the state of the world. You can do your part in rating us so that we can keep on doing that.

EGL: And this is the Global GoalsCast. I’m Edie Lush

CRE:   And I’m Claudia Romo Edelman. Thank you for being with us today. Good bye.

CRE: 38:40           And now is the time for the second half of our interview with Shamina Singh, President of the Mastercard Center for inclusive growth and explore how innovation can drive inclusion, which in turn can power societies and economies.

EGL  38:59  Shamina in our last episode, we met a fellow from the World Food Program who created an Ebay for farmers and you’ve got something not dissimilar, the mastercard farmer’s network. Tell us about that.

Shamina Singh: We really dug deep and said, okay, we are a technology company focused on payments. What’s our role in making sure that small holder farmers have access to market. What we developed is something called a mastercard farmer’s network, which really focuses on this idea that when you are going to market, you actually have to take your tomatoes or your potatoes or your lettuce and you have to take it off the land, put it in a cart, drive two days sometimes to a marketplace and then sell what’s still fresh and however much you can sell, you can’t negotiate back and forth. For Women, this is particularly hard. Think about the safety and the kids and the family.

Shamina Singh: 39:54              It’s very difficult for them to leave their land and to go negotiate prices for their produce, so oftentimes they have to send it with an intermediary and the intermediary goes, comes back and they give them what they give them and you know it may be the full amount, it may be something. It may be able to last them next cycle. Who knows? What technology allows us to do is to say, look, everybody pretty much has a feature Phone, may not be a smartphone, but you have a feature phone, so why not empower the market place to say, I’m going to send out an order to this network and I can take quantities from different people and you can bid on the quantities that you can provide in the time you tell me how much, how soon, and how far. This allows women to negotiate from their farm to say, okay, here comes the order. Here’s what I have, here’s what I can produce, here’s when I can send it, and then the money comes directly to the woman. That simple tool, allows more women than ever before to negotiate on behalf of themselves for their own economic independence. That’s power and that’s the type of solutions that we’re trying to think about as we think about farmers, as we think about technologists, as we think about entrepreneurs, small business owners, all of the places that unrealized productivity is holding us back and we’re trying to push ourselves forward.

CRE: 41:21        Well, Shamina Singh, President of the Mastercard Center for inclusive growth. A  leader, a friend, a visionary. You kicked us off the first time around. You’re kicking us off this time around with Season Two.  Thank you so much for being with us. T

Shamina Singh:Thanks for having me.

Michelle Cooprider: Music in this episode was by Andrew Philips, Angelica Garcia, Simon James, Katie Crone, Amy Edwards, Ashish Pillowall ,Alex Vallejo and Ellis. This episode was made possible thanks to the support of Mastercard, CBS News digital, and Harmon, the official sound of global goals cast. This episode would not have been possible without Keith Reynolds, founder and president of spoke media who lent us his ear.

The Next Generations: We Can’t Save the World Without Them

” The youth will be the future leaders of countries, captains of industries, the innovators to solve some of the world’s toughest challenges.” Tae Yoo, SVP of Corporate Affairs, Cisco

Achieving the Sustainable Development Goals will make the world a better place for all, but the world cannot reach these goals without the active energy and new thinking of young people. Edie Lush and Claudia Romo Edelman explore that idea in this episode about youth and political activism. Speaking to young people on every continent, they find a strong desire to team up with friends to solve social problems, though, they also hear concerns about “clicktivism,” a tendency to confuse expressing a desire for action on social media with real action. This episode touches on the increasing role of young women as leaders and the shapers of agendas, including more attention to issues of concern to women, such as menstrual health, as well as efforts to bring more women into politics and governing. Also, hear how our sponsor, Cisco, introduces you to a valuable resource for youth, Global Problem Solvers: The Series.

Featured guests

Aditi Sharma

@aditiraisharma Aditi is currently a Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) student at the Penn State College of Medicine in Hershey, Pennsylvania. She is a fierce advocate for women’s health, specifically menstrual health and hygiene. Most recently, she was the Health Focal Point for the Emergency Medical Response Team at the International Organization for Migration (IOM) in Chautara, Sindhupalchok, the epicenter of the 2015 Nepal earthquake. As the sole health program officer for the IOM in the region which suffered the highest casualty, she covered a wide range of responsibilities. In 2014, Aditi founded Kalyani with peers who are also dedicated to improving the lives of women in Nepal. This NGO works to empower women through promoting sustainable livelihoods.

Kenny Imafidon

@kennyimafidon Kenny is the co-founder & Managing Director of ClearView Research Ltd, a leading-edge research company, who specialize in research focussing on young people and social impact evaluation. Described by Huffington Post UK as a “young rising star making waves in UK politics,” Kenny has written influential & award-winning publications and has led on innovative partnerships with global brands such as Uber, Tinder and Deliveroo, on campaigns to get young people registered to vote and turnout in UK elections and the EU referendum. His work in both the worlds of research and politics has taken him around the world to countries such as, the United States, Brazil, Austria, Tunisia, Israel, and Hong Kong.

Tabata Amaral

@tabataamaralsp Tabata Amaral, 24-years old, is an education activist. She graduated magna cum laude with highest honors in Government and Astrophysics from Harvard College. Coming from the outskirts of São Paulo, Tabata is the co-founder of Movimento Acredito, a political renovation movement, and Movimento Mapa Educação, a movement that strives for a quality education for all Brazilians, accompanying educational policies and holding debates to make education, in fact, a priority in the national agenda. She received the “Makes Difference” Prize of O Globo (Society/ Education Category) in 2016, McKinsey’s Next Generation Women Leader Award in 2017 and Glamour’s Women of the Year in 2018.

Tae Yoo

Tae leads Cisco’s social investments and stewards CSR and sustainability across the business. She directs Cisco’s business, technical, and financial assets to accelerate global problem solving to positively impact people, society, and the planet.  Under Tae’s leadership, Corporate Affairs strives to inspire, connect, and invest in global problem solvers to nurture innovative solutions and catalyze an entrepreneurial ecosystem that supports progress and inclusive growth. Corporate Affairs also invests in developing digital skills so everyone can participate in the digital economy and become a global problem solver. Corporate Affairs has committed to positively impact 1 billon people by 2025. A founding Cisco employee, Tae pioneered Cisco’s Business Development – establishing new markets through partnerships for joint product and market development. She is a Trustee of the Cisco Foundation, a member of the Service Year Alliance Board and of the World Economic Forum Global Future Council on Education, Gender and Work.

Katie Clemens

Katherine Clemens is a manager for K-12 initiatives that help strengthen the pipeline for entrepreneurship and innovation. She is responsible for designing and implementing programs related to learning through design thinking and hands-on applied projects, including teacher training and high school after-school clubs and programs. Prior to joining ASU, Katherine served as an English teacher at Maryvale High School, where she designed and implemented an innovative, rigorous curriculum that resulted in unprecedented student growth and achievement. Katherine entered the teaching profession in 2010 through Teach For America, an organization that seeks to raise student achievement in high-need schools. She continues to serve as a content leader for Teach For America, facilitating professional development sessions for corps members and supporting teachers in planning and implementing strong curriculums. Katherine received her B.A. in political science from Purdue University and her M.Ed. in secondary education from ASU’s Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College. 

Laleh Khalili

@LalehKhalili Laleh Khalili is a professor of Middle East Politics at SOAS University of London and author of Heroes and Martyrs of Palestine: Politics of National Commemoration and Time in the Shadows: Confinement in Counterinsurgencies.

Isatou Bittaye

@ladeebittaye Isatou Bittaye is a human rights advocate and feminist with almost a decade of experience working in women’s and girls’ rights and young people’s empowerment. She serves as the Communications Manager of The Girls’ Agenda, a youth led organization working for the empowerment of young women and girls and advocating to end FGM, child marriage, promoting sexual and reproductive health rights, life skills and leadership, and girl’s access to education. Previously, she served as the Senior Program Officer at the National Council for civic Education where she led the programs team and educated Gambian citizens on their constitutional rights and civic duties and responsibility to hold the government accountable. She holds a BSc. in Political Science from the University of The Gambia and Master’s in International Studies from National Chengchi University in Taiwan.

Celina de Sola

Celina de Sola is Co-Founder and Vice President of Programs at Glasswing. She aims to design and implement innovative, community-based initiatives that bring institutions and people together through joint action. After almost a decade leading humanitarian responses and developing public health programs in over 20 countries around the world, Celina decided to return to her home country of El Salvador. Celina is an alumnus of the University of Pennsylvania (BA) and its Graduate School of Social Policy and Practice (MSW), as well as Harvard University’s School of Public Health (MPH). Celina is a Fellow of Ashoka, LEGO Foundation Re-Imagine Learning, Penn Social Impact House, and is a Tällberg Foundation Global Leader. 

Lori Adelman

Lori Adelman is the Director of Youth  of Women DeliverEngagement. An advocate and mediamaker focusing on race, gender, and sexual and reproductive rights, Lori has a decade of experience promoting the health and rights of women and girls in the U.S. and globally. Lori was formerly the Director of Global Communications at Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Executive Director at Feministing.com, a popular and award-winning online community run by and for young feminists. Lori has also worked at the United Nations Foundation on the Secretary-General’s flagship Every Woman Every Child initiative, and at the International Women’s Health Coalition and Human Rights Watch. As a leading voice on feminist and women’s rights issues, Lori frequently consults, speaks and publishes on feminism, activism and movement-building. She has appeared on outlets such as MSNBC and WNYC, and in publications like Elle, The Grio, Rookie Magazine and The New York Times. She has contributed to several books such as “The Feminist Utopia Project” and “My Freshman Year of Life”.

This episode was made possible thanks to the support of

Additional Resources

Global Problem Solvers: The Series (by CISCO)

Preparing for the Future As technology continues to shape our world, it is becoming increasingly important to prepare future business leaders and workers with the right digital skills. That’s why Global Problem Solvers: The Series has been designed for students during a critical development period and inflection point in STEM adoption. Through this program, we aim to demystify technology and explore the potential of the Internet of Things (IoT) for social good. By leveraging an engaging combination of animated stories and activities, the program helps educators introduce students to important skills like complex problem solving, critical thinking, creativity, people management, and coordinating with others. It also emphasizes social consciousness, entrepreneurship, and the potential of technology to accelerate bringing positive change to the world. More Than Just Ideas Students focus on real-world social, economic, and environmental problems around the world. Through the program, they learn that coming up with ideas is just the first step in problem solving. While interacting with each other, they discover the stages of making ideas real – design, manufacturing, deployment, maintenance, and funding. By approaching social change as an entrepreneur and applying technology to accelerate the difference they can make, students are challenged to find solutions that are scalable and sustainable. In doing so, they also learn the skills they will need to thrive in an increasingly digital world. Cisco Corporate Social Responsibility believes that our future will be defined by global problem solvers – global citizens ready to thrive in a connected and digital future by thinking like entrepreneurs, innovating like technologists, and acting as agents of social change.


[00:02] Tabata: How politics works, everything’s made for young people not to be a part.

[00:08] Kenny Imafidon: If you don’t do politics, then politics will do you.

[00:11] Celina de Sola: The generation below the current millennials is about action. They are taking situations and issues into their hands and their being a lot more vocal about it.

[00:22] Speaker 1: Don’t romanticize the youth, but don’t also demonize them.

[00:27] Edie Lush: This is the Global GoalsCast.

[00:29] Claudia Edelman: The podcast that explores if we can change the world.

[00:33] Edie Lush: In this episode, are young people the secret to achieving the global goals?

[00:37] Claudia Edelman: We will dive into that question right after this.

[00:41] CREDITS: This episode was made possible thanks to the support of CISCO. And thank you to HARMAN, the official sound of Global GoalsCast.

[00:51] Edie Lush: Welcome back I’m Edie Lush.

[00:53] Claudia Edelman: And I’m Claudia Romo Edelman

[00:55] Edie Lush: And for this episode of the Global GoalsCast, we want to look at a very big and very basic question.

[01:00] Claudia Edelman: That is right Edie. We have talked about how big a task it will be to achieve the sustainable development goals and how us, somehow older folks…

[01:09] Edie Lush: Hang on. Are you calling me old?

[01:11] Claudia Edelman: Of course not! How we owe it to future generations to create this more equal, more sustainable world, the one that the global goals envision by 2030. One of the things that I see unique about our podcast is incredible range of partners that we have, more than 12 UN agencies, more than 35 non for profit companies, All of them, depositing their trust on us to tell their story. And what we have in common, all of us is the desire to have a better world and we know that this framework of the sustainable development goals cannot be achieved without young people getting involved.

[01:49] Edie Lush: Right? Here’s the thing we want to talk about today: These goals aren’t just something we do for the next generations, but with the next generations or we are never going to get there.

[01:59] Claudia Edelman: Exactly. It requires young people’s energy, their creativity, and most of all their new thinking to be the change that is needed on everything, from gender equality to climate change.

[02:10] Edie Lush: Not Too much to ask, is it?

[02:11] Claudia Edelman: Well, why don’t we actually wait until later to answer that question and start with what you found out about what some young people are already doing.

[02:21] Edie Lush: Thanks Claudia. We know that the famous or infamous millennial generation is rapidly becoming the largest demographic group in the world. In some countries they already are. These are folks as old as 38 and as young as 23, so they’re already adults and even their younger brothers and sisters, that so-called generation z or generation zed in the UK, are starting to leave their teen years. I’ve been there for too long. So what is their impact already and what will it be between now and 2030 to find out? I started by meeting several young people who are already working hard on the future. The range is breathtaking. One is using tinder in London to encourage voter registration. In both Africa and Latin America, I found others working to get more young people and women to run for office, but let’s start in Nepal with a fight to end the ostracism of women during their periods.

[03:19] Aditi Sharma: I went to England and I did my masters of public health from there. I found an organization called I RISE international, who were working with menstrual hygiene in east Africa and I introduced them to this problem in Nepal. And then when I came back I got a couple of my friends together and I said, guys, we have to do something about this. So we started an NGO called Kalyani, which is a youth-led organization because it’s all of my friends from undergrad and we work specifically in menstrual hygiene.

[03:55] Edie Lush: That’s Aditi Sharma. She’s a young leader with our fantastic partner, Women Deliver, describing something we found all over the world, young women and men banding together working in teams as a community to address whatever problem most concerned them.

[04:10] Aditi Sharma: So it started in 2011 when I took a trip to the far western region of Nepal. And I found out about this practice called chhaupadi, which was rampantly practice there, where women and girls were banished to outdoor sheds during their periods because they were considered impure and untouchable. Coming from Kathmandu where I was, uh, you know, raised in a very liberal family, I was shocked that, you know, might come to fights in the rural areas of Nepal were suffering. So that’s how I started working in women’s health and especially menstrual hygiene.

[04:50] Edie Lush: Aditi created a small NGO with her friends from university and raised money to work in western Nepal. I heard this same idea all around the world. Let’s get together and get something done.

[05:01] Kenny Imafidon: For me, the key reason why I really got involved in political participation and voter engagement and voter registration was because once I realized that all the issues I care about are political, then that means that I need to be involved in politics.

[05:16] Edie Lush: Kenny Imafidon. He’s an ambassador for another great partner of ours, One Young World.

[05:21] Kenny Imafidon: I come from a place called Peckham in Southeast London, which is considered as a very deprived community growing up.

[05:27] Edie Lush: And when he was just 17, Kenny was arrested with several of his friends and right after his 18th birthday, charged as an adult with murder. His friends went to prison, but Kenny’s case was thrown out, a very narrow escape. Indeed.

[05:41] Kenny Imafidon: That just really was for me a life changing, a life changing moment. And it was just something that just take my whole perspective on life, truly.

[05:52] Edie Lush: Kenny, now 24 years old, wants to make things better for kids like him.

[05:57] Kenny Imafidon: Very fundamental. If decisions are being made about people like us involved in that process, then of course injustice is going to continue, if that makes sense. And I feel like no matter issue you care about around criminal justice, the environment, housing, inequality, politics is at the heart of it. And if people are not participating then there’s going to be problems. Like I always say, if you not at the table where decisions are made, then that means you are on menu.

[06:33] Edie Lush: So how do you increase political participation for young people, especially from those coming from marginalized communities?

[06:40] Kenny Imafidon: The major irony in politics is that those who are most affected by the decisions that politicians make, are the ones who are least likely to participate. And as a result, we are the ones who when there’s time for cuts to be made, you suffer the most and that’s mainly because a lot of these politicians don’t feel like there’ll be any backlash from them making decisions. And particularly young people, you can just [inaudible] the UK to use as a, use as an example, if you look at what young people get compared to what much older voters who vote get, there’s massive differences. The main thing has been around actually truly empowering people to know their rights and to understand that actually that if you don’t do politics, then politics will do you. we were the organization who coordinated the national voter registration drive, which, which is the most successful registration drive in any Western democracy.

[07:44] Kenny Imafidon: And we partnered with people, like Uber for example. When people ordering their Uber during the week of National Register drive, whilst I was on the APP, they’ll get a message whilst they are waiting for the cab, and the uber usually takes three minutes to come, and during that time, they get a message that flashes up on the screen that says, don’t be a, don’t be a passenger on the decisions affecting your life, register to vote now.

[08:09] Edie Lush: Now tell me about how it worked with tinder.

[08:12] Kenny Imafidon: And Tinder, whilst people were swiping, doing what they do on Tinder, they would see, they would see one of our cards come up. And then we actually done two campaigns. One they see our card up and then they do a quiz, and then after the quiz, they encouraged to register to vote. And then we’ve also done one where it was just like a photo and then once they click on it, they get a message that kind of just tells them, look, you need to go and register. And it was literally that simple, we were bringing the conversation to where people already are.

[08:44] Edie Lush: In both Latin America and Africa, I spoke to women who are going a step further increasing voting and running for office, too. I spoke to Tabata Amaral de Pontes, a one world ambassador who grew up in Sao Paulo, one of the largest cities in the world.

[09:00] Kenny Imafidon: It became clear with the years that if I really wanted to change education in Brazil, I need to change politics. But the party system here and just how our politics works, Everything’s made for young people not to be a part and for like normal people, common people to be scared and not engage in politics. So that’s why together are friends from all over Brazil, we are in 15 states out of the 27, we decided to found a political movement. Our biggest goal is to fight inequality in Brazil and we went to engage ordinary people in politics again. We are building our own agenda to fight inequality. We always invite people in our nuclei around Brazil to do politics in a daily basis. So there’s so much we can do because our politicians are really not used to having us mobilizing and engaging and protesting and so on. And we also selected by voting to any foreign leaders all over Brazil to represent the movement in this year’s election. And that’s amazing because if I was alone, there was no way I would be a candidate this year. But when I saw the possibility of doing that with people that I trust, that come from similar backgrounds as mine and at the same time represent the diversity of Brazil, entering politics for the right reasons, that gave me a lot of motivation and hope and courage maybe .

[10:41] Claudia Edelman: What interesting stories Edie, and always that idea: together with friends,

[10:45] Edie Lush: Like us!

[10:46] Claudia Edelman: …as Tabata was putting it – exactly like us this morning working out before coming here or yesterday when we were at the United Nations, when you were getting your award!

[10:54] Edie Lush: I know which I brought into the studio with me. And it’s such a great award Media for Social Impact from the United Nations!

[11:01] Claudia Edelman: Because now you made the Global GoalsCast an award winning podcast! Okay, so but first something new and special for us here at the Global GoalsCast, we have sponsors and our new sponsor is Cisco, that has been powering the internet, since 1984.

[11:18] Edie Lush: I didn’t even know the Internet existed then!

[11:20] Claudia Edelman: And they have a story they want us to share with you.

[11:24] GPS: I , Putri, have called together this group of Extraordinary teens, Adrian Gilliam, Christina and Sitoshi. We are the Global Problem Solvers. So many crises in the world require creativity and teamwork to solve.

[11:40] Claudia Edelman: So that was a clip from the Global Problem Solvers. A cartoon that Cisco created as part of an education program. I spoke to Tae Yoo senior vice president of corporate affairs at Cisco and Katie Clemens, director of youth entrepreneurship and innovation from the Arizona State University about the work they are doing to inspire young people. Wow. Those are long titles.

[12:06] Tae Yoo: The youth will be the future leaders of countries, captains of industries, the innovators to solve some of the world’s toughest challenges. And so Cisco hass always banked on the young people and the future potential of the youth and what they can do. We also wanted to make sure that we work with youth in the middle school and below area to really create this web series, it’s called the Global Problem Solvers: The Series, and this is a web series for students who are younger than our traditional, uh, youth programs and to help these students explore entrepreneurship, learn life skills and basically how to use knowledge for social good.

[12:50] Katie Clemens: The schools that we work with, all are high need schools in underserved communities and the students throughout the course of the year, they watched the GPS theories, but along the way they also came up with their own new idea for a solution to a challenge in their community. So they learned the entrepreneurial process and then they actually got to apply it at the same time. The feedback that we got from both students and teachers was that it was incredible to have 11, 12, 13 year olds in these real world situations where they are truly tackling something that impacts them in their community and then there are also thinking about it at a global level too. We’re experiencing in this here, but how are other people experiencing this across the world?

[13:36] Tae Yoo: The animation series is designed for people in middle school and below because we want them to develop an entrepreneurial muscle and then be able to exercise that muscle on a regular basis so you come of age confident that you have the capability to be a Global Problem Solver. And then to be able to work globally as a team many times is virtually, you can still have a dramatic impact and become a true social entrepreneur.

[14:05] Katie Clemens: They want to help solve problems of tomorrow. They want to know how to do that. The ‘I want’ is the easier part, the ‘I can’ is the tougher one. And we really work with programs like this on building their self efficacy. They want to change the world through technology, but how do we help show them that they really can do it?

[14:28] Claudia Edelman: Welcome back. More from that Cisco program later. And we’ll also hear from the kids who were inspired by the Global Problem Solvers. We’re talking about companies that are doing good. I think that our audience and consumers want to know where to make their choices. Now, Edie, let’s go back to our discussion of the next generation. There is always a next generation.

[14:49] Edie Lush: That sounds like Star Trek…

[14:49] Claudia Edelman: So the question is how is this one any different?

[14:51] Edie Lush: So I think I know the answer. It’s the engagement of women and therefore women’s voices being heard much more and the issues they care about being heard. Claudia, you remember Aditi, who’s working in menstrual health in Nepal, so as a member of generation X, I’m not that much older than her, but I can’t ever remember discussing periods outside of sex education class. I wanted to see if this was a broader theme. So I spoke to a friend of mine, Lally Khalili, she’s a professor of Middle East politics at so us University of London and an author of several excellent books about the Middle East.

[15:28] Laleh Khalili: One of the things that May, 2011 in some ways very different than past revolutionary or moments of revolt in Europe and North America and parts of the world say 1968 and then it was a very significant one, was the extent to which an everywhere – I’m thinking Bahrain, I’m thinking Yemen, I’m thinking Egypt, even Syria before the civil war broke out – How much women were not only figureheads, not only people who appeared on say video streaming or news reports, but actually in the organizing of protests and events. How much young women were at the forefront of the youth activism. And I think that this is one of those big changes that has happened, that is that has partially to do with the changes in the political economy of most countries where more and more women are becoming educated and are stepping in to the workforce and they’re facing some of the same problems that the young men are facing in economies which have slowed down or sluggish. So on the one hand, they’re very educated and on the other hand they can’t get jobs. But what is particularly interesting is that of course in all societies, there’s a lot more social pressure on women to conform to certain gender norms of behavior. Even in places which have progressive reputations. Women are still considered to be as much significant for their biological functions, for example, for their ability to bear children, as they are for being members of the society, earning or being active or whatnot. And what makes it particularly interesting in the Arab world was how much the young women who stepped forward rejected these gender norms. They fought alongside the men. They were as articulate, if not more articulate than the men. And in many instances some of the courage they showed, for example, Maria Malka Raja in Bahrain in sitting in while the police was trying to drag her out of the of the square where the protests were going out or a number of the women who organized not only interior square in Cairo, but also in the factories in the suburbs of Cairo. And the women were at the forefront. Of this, and I think that this is really exciting and it’s something that we should watch out for.

[17:41] Claudia Edelman: So a big new dynamic, we’re seeing more and more young women working in the public sphere.

[17:47] Edie Lush: Like Isatou Bittaye, she’s young leader from our amazing partner, Women Deliver. From The Gambia and she is passionate about increasing female representation in politics.

[17:58] Isatou Bittaye: Women are about 13 percent in the current parliament, which is quite low because if you look at the history of Gambian politics, women have always been participating. They have always been voting. They have always been mobilizing and campaigning for men who are running for elections. We have a new government and the, according to the information coming out from the government, that will be a new constitution, so we believe that women should equally be represented in decision making, at least they should meet the UN recommendation of 30 percent in all decision making level. Also, we are writing and lobbying and also talking to people that have influence in the political parties to ensure that the political parties have constitutions that are gender friendly because most of the political parties have women as members, but when you look at the party structures, if you have 15 people who are executive members of the party, maybe just four or three are women. That’s an agenda balance, so we’re talking to partners to make sure at least they have more women or equal women as men in their party executive committees.

[19:09] Edie Lush: Let’s hear more from Tabata Amaral De Pontes, running for Congress in Brazil. She finds it for her, running for office means breaking the current political system.

[19:18] Tabata: You need to be affiliated to a party in order to run in Brazil. We have thirty five parties which is a lot. They don’t represent 35 projects of Brazil judges, institutions that have access to public funding and basically have the monopoly of deciding who is going to or not. Our parties don’t have internal voting to decide the candidates. They are required by law to have 30 percent of their list dedicated to women, but that doesn’t mean anything when you see that the woman, the parties are not receiving funding, visibility and so on. And that’s the same for young people, so in order for you to appear in a parties list to receive funding, to receive visibility, tv time, etc, probably you are son or brother or nephew of someone important in politics. I have friends all over the world who identify with the sentiment we have here in Brazil regarding politics, that its not made for us. It doesn’t represent us and it’s time for us to do something and take our future back.

[20:32] Edie Lush: In a minute, we’re going to ask that question. Are we expecting too much from the next generations?

[20:36] Claudia Edelman: But first, the rest of that inspiring story from our sponsor, Cisco on their Global Problem Solvers program.

[20:43] Edie Lush: You got it!

[20:45] Katie Clemens: During the first series of students is in Malawi and they come across this problem that there are contaminated and broken wells in the home, in their home communities.

[20:58] GPS: Young people in Malawi don’t have access to clean drinking water. 3,000 children die each year as a result.

[21:04] Katie Clemens: So that’s causing lots of challenges, including students having to walk quite a long way to access clean water. They’re not able to be in school during that time and as they dive deeper into the problem, they just realized that the impact is much more than they ever could have imagined.

[21:23] GPS: The demand in Malawi is simple, Christina, clean drinking water.

[21:28] Katie Clemens: They brainstorm and they brainstorm and they devised this network of sensors so they start to set up this network and they test it and they run into problems. ones along the way and one of those is extreme flooding. So they have a flooding situation and they have to really stop and say, okay, let’s go back and we need to figure out how we’re going to overcome this and work together. And it really shows you that entrepreneurship and innovation is a process. They have their challenges, they worked through them and then they come up with a business plan.

[21:59] GPS: Hey guys, remember when I was diving in Lake Malawi, I realized that we need to involve local people in our solution for it to succeed. That’s right.

[22:09] Katie Clemens: Finally, at the end they shared their new social enterprise and they begin spreading it more widely and they begin marketing and sharing via social media and they have this final functioning company and entity that they’ve come up with.

[22:25] GPS Students: My idea’s a watch that can contact the police with just a simple touch of a button, has gestures. Um, you can customize it, you know, it comes in different colors and it’s very cheap, cheaper than most watches.

[22:38] GPS Students: I get to help people around the world with flooding. So our project that we’re doing is a device that helps detect you droning and it can save people’s lives. We started off not knowing anything and we went on knowing more about technology and marketing business.

[22:57] GPS Students: I enjoyed working with my friends and just coming up with ideas that can help change the world. You know, you never get to do this when you’re this young and you know, it kind of prepares you for when you’re older.

[23:08] GPS Students: It’s inspired by goals because it helps me help more people and a community with problems they have everyday.

[23:17] GPS Students: To help others around you. Don’t be selfish basically to help people in need. There’s more people that need help and I have the power to help them create something that can really change the world.

[23:28] Katie Clemens: I encourage everyone to check out gps to theories.com. There are tons of great resources there.

[23:35] Tae Yoo: We would love for you all to provide feedback, share it with schools and your own children, students, you know, educators, and then you can download the teacher’s guide on the GPS Series, website, gpstheseries.com. We are all Global Problem Solvers and collectively we can solve the biggest, most challenging issues that we face in the world today.

[24:00] GPS Students: I’m a global problem solver. I’m a global problem solver. I am a global problem solver. I am a global problem solver.

[24:09] Claudia Edelman: Tae Yoo from Cisco, Katie Clemens from the Arizona State University and some of the children taking part in the Global Problem Solvers program. So Edie, we tend to get very excited about all the changes young people bring with their energy and enthusiasm, but do we sometimes get too excited? Are we putting too much on them?

[24:33] Edie Lush: Excellent question. Celina de Sola, she’s coming to us from our partner global dignity is 42 and she is at times exasperated by the millennial generation.

[24:43] Celina de Sola: The generation below the current millennials is about action and yes, there’s social media, but I really feel confident that they are taking situations and issues into their hands and they’re being a lot more vocal about it. Will that translate into political participation? I’m not sure yet because they’re coming into the age when they can vote so that we’ll see. In Nicaragua for example, the entire movement was driven by young university students and even younger students. So I think there’s definitely some things are turning around. We really need to really propel that forward in the most constructive way because it can also be destructive if it’s, you know, if we don’t give them the tools and the information.

[25:30] Edie Lush: Kenny also has cautionary words about his generation.

[25:34] Kenny Imafidon: So the one thing I would definitely say is that yes, millennials are definitely more socially conscious than older generations. That is for sure. However, it is also a lot of research that shows that despite millennials being more socially conscious and saying, that they care about feelings. However, did at least a generation that should do something about it.

[25:57] Edie Lush: That’s a bit scary, isn’t it?

[25:59] Kenny Imafidon:Yeah, and also that’s because given the world of online, we’re now in and the rise of clicktivism, as you could call it, a lot of people feel like once I’ve expressed it online, then that’s really it.

[26:11] Edie Lush: And Laleh Khalili, says, we shouldn’t project our hopes and dreams onto a vast generation.

[26:16] Laleh Khalili: The youth are often romanticized. We see them, we hear about them as agents of change. We hear about them as sort of progressive forces for the future harshly because of the ways in which the creativity of the youth and changing popular culture is so incredibly visible. We tend to think of them as perhaps an outsize kind of a category for the transformation of the social. This also happens in the negative sense in the in the sense that a lot of fear mongering, for example, about the Middle East tends to pivot around the figure of disaffected unemployed youth who tend to outnumber jobs and therefore because they’re unemployed and bored, they’re going to be radicalized. Both of those cliches don’t take account of the fact that you’ve are different in different times and in different places. They come from different social classes they have, they come from very different kinds of backgrounds. They come from different kinds of exposure to degrees of activism.

[27:14] Edie Lush: Before we wrap up, Claudia, I want to share one more observation. This is from Tabata, 24 running for office in Brazil.

[27:21] Tabata: We always say that people in Brazil, they should be less radical on their ideologies, their ideas, and more radical on their practice.

[27:33] Edie Lush: In a world plagued by polarization and partisanship, that is a pretty radical thought and it may well be that the biggest change underway is the new thinking of younger people. Disillusioned by politics as they knew it, eager for action and practical solutions.

[27:48] Claudia Edelman: But we know also that today we’re at this crossroads where were the first innovation that can eradicate extreme poverty for all, but will also the last generation that can stop and mitigate the impact of climate change and for the first time in history we can elevate the playing field for all. There is no way to achieve a better world without the young people really taking control and being powered.

[28:20]: Edie Lush: So now for the part in our show, when we give you three facts to help you look smart in front of your mother-in-law, as well as three actions you can take.

[28:29] Claudia Edelman: Here are the three facts. Number one, the number of youth between 15 and 24 years of age is 1.1 billion, that constitutes 18 percent of the global population. Number two is given to us by Celina de Sola.

[28:46] Celina de Sola: We know that two hours a week of after school clubs improves kids’ grades in math, science, in reading, and also makes them more resilient than their peers. So basically it’s through play, right? It’s learning through play, so doing two hours of something really fun, if it’s well curated, can actually not just improve your life skills, but also your academic performance, your conduct and your resilience.

[29:19] Edie Lush: And fact number three, fifty three percent of global millennials say they often support causes on social media, but don’t act in the offline world.

[29:28] Claudia Edelman: I love the third fact because it talks about young people be buying with their beliefs and voting with their heart, taking action and believing in purpose.

[29:36] Edie Lush: And it also raises that concern about clicktivism like just because I liked something on twitter or facebook doesn’t mean I’ve taken any action.

[29:43] Claudia Edelman: Or does it mean that they are enough actions for people to take if they have their heart in the right place Maybe it’s just about making sure that people know what actions they can be taken.

[29:52] Edie Lush: So here are some actions coming to us from some of the people we spoke to. Here’s Laleh Khalili.

[29:58] Laleh Khalili: Don’t romanticize the youth, but don’t also demonize them. That means that don’t necessarily imagine that just because the youth numbers are increasing, that means that there’s going to be radicalization or instability or whatnot. But don’t also imagine that youth are going to be the foot soldiers of progressive causes. They can very easily be attracted to quite right wing or quite destructive forms of mobilization.

[30:25] Edie Lush: Next one comes to us from our partner women deliver from Laurie Edelman. She’s the director of youth engagement

[30:31] Lori Adelman: Support the youth advocates in your community, see them, support them, don’t just offer them a seat at the table. Don’t just call them the future of our world, but offer them actual resources, support and capacity building so that they can engage today and if your listeners are interested to continue these conversations, the women deliver 2019 conference taking place in Vancouver in June 2019 is a great place to do that.

[31:03] Edie Lush: And finally Aditi Sharma.

[31:05] Aditi Sharma: We could start with destigmatizing menstruation and it’s just simple things you know, like stop using euphemisms for example, like stop trying to hide your sanitary products from other people just talking openly about menstruation.

[31:21] Claudia Edelman: The last action that we always recommend for you to take is to read Factfulness, to believe that the world is making progress and be engaged in the change that you can be.

[31:36] Edie Lush: So thank you for listening. Please subscribe to us at Apple podcast or wherever you listen. Follow us on twitter, instagram, and facebook at global goals cast and like, subscribe and download our latest episodes.

[31:47] Claudia Edelman: That was Edie Lush and I am Claudia Romo Edelman

[31:50] Edie Lush: And this is the Global GoalsCast.

[31:52] Claudia Edelman: Thank you for being with us.

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