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Davos GoalsCast 2018

Jimmy Wales and Richard Edelman talk to Edie Lush and Claudia Romo Edelman about the globalism vs nationalism debate at Davos and how it shapes prospects for achieving the Global Goals. Leaders from countries as different as India, Canada and France said the global economic system isn’t working. Fix the roof while the sun is shining, said Christine LaGarde of the IMF. President Trump presented a kinder, gentler face at Davos; but he was clear in his view that nations should put their own interests first.

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It is necessary that the sense of competitiveness among the major nations of the world does not become a wall between them.

Over the past decades, citizens and workers have been calling for change but too often their pleas have been ignored. Too many politicians become disconnected, refusing to really listen. But that approach can’t and won’t cut it anymore.

If we commit ourselves to make our current globalization welfare sustainable in favor of middle classes, if we commit ourselves to enable our youth, if we commit ourselves to take into consideration long term and complexity of our decisions so we can converge and build a new globalization understandable and good for our people. Resuming this great idea of progress.

As President of the United States, I will always put America first but America first does not mean America alone.

[00:01:17] CRE: This is the Global GoalsCast. Well, as the fact, it is Davos GoalsCast because this is a special episode in which we’re going to be sharing with you our takeaways from the World Economic Forum’s Annual Meeting 2018. We will be sharing with you our observations, the clips that we think represent what happened during the week, and also some of the greatest moments that we thought it’s important to share out with the world.

[00:01:45] EL: And what a week. World leaders warning that globalism is running out of steam and Donald Trump says what’s good for the United States is good for the world.  The big conversation here this week relates directly to Global Goal number eight: committing the world to creating decent work and economic growth for all.

[00:02:04] CRE: But actually, Edie it is even bigger than that. David Nabarro, who was the Undersecretary-General for the United Nations to promote the Sustainable Development Goals, stressed to us here in Davos that all the Goals fit together.

[00:02:16] DN: You can’t take different aspects of peoples’ lives and say we will work on them separately because everything really is connected up. And so although there is 17 goals when you study them, you find that everything relates to everything else. If there is no peace, you can’t have prosperity, if there is no prosperity, women and children can’t be healthy if women are not empowered, you can’t have good nutrition.

[00:02:43] CG: All the major leaders here, Edie, talked about this interdependence. How to keep growth going and how to share the benefits better.

[00:02:52] EL: With Donald Trump at one end of the argument saying every country should fight for its own interests and Emmanuelle Macron of France, Narendra Modi of India, and Justin Trudeau of Canada, all in different ways, saying that globalization is broken and that the world needs a new more equitable global system or we will fragment and fail. Joining us later will be two insightful observers of the global economy., Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, and of course the omnipresent Richard Edelman, you know him, Head of Edelman Communications.

Time to repair the roof when the sun is shining. I’m borrowing from John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He actually focused his speech an opening speech focusing on the next generation. This moment of global growth and European recovery, we have an opportunity to do the difficult things which might otherwise go undone.

[00:03:45] EL: So Claudia, we heard Christine Lagarde open the whole session at the World Economic Forum talking about fixing the roof when the sun is shining. I imagine that means the economies are working but there’s a whole lot that’s not working. Is that hard for world leaders to come here and hear?

[00:04:01] CG: Well as particularly because everybody was so optimistic about the world economy how everything is growing, unemployment numbers have never been you know like lower and I think that there was a lot of optimism matching, you know like, a lot of ‘OK we need to fix the situation. Globalization is not really working. There is a better capitalism that needs to happen’. But I’m not sure we got the answers. We’ll play for you some translated clips from India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi, also, Canada’s Justin Trudeau, Americas Donald Trump – in his own voice, no translator – and France’s Emmanuelle Macron, which is also translated.

“I see that many societies and countries are becoming more and more focused on themselves. It feels, it feels like the opposite of globalization is happening. Everyone is talking about it in the interconnected world. But we will have to accept the fact that globalization is slowly losing its luster.” Narendra Modi

“Progress of any kind takes hard work. But by thinking big and working together. We will build a better world.” Justin Trudeau,

“When people are forgotten, the world becomes fractured. Only by hearing and responding to the voices of the forgotten, can we create a bright future that is truly shared by all.” Donald Trump

“Unless I give meaning to globalization, if I cannot explain to people that it’s good for them and that it will help them to develop their own lives in 5, 10 years, 15 years-time, they will be the nationalists the extremists who want to get out of the system and they will win and it will happen in every country.” Emmanuelle Macron

[00:05:59] EL: Have a listen to what Ken Roth had to say. He spoke to me the day before Trump spoke and after Modi did.

“Modi came, the Indian prime minister and trumpets, you know, the great economic progress he’s making we talked about inclusive economics but he utterly ignored the very divisive Hindu nationalists who are demonising the Muslim minority in India and who are intent on getting anything but an inclusive political system and I fear that Trump is going to do a bit of the same thing.  He’s going say, you know, the American economy is booming and America First is working. But here he is building his government around racism misogyny, xenophobia, Islamophobia. He’s not going to address that stuff.

[00:06:41] CG: So Jimmy, Richard thank you for being with us. You’ve been both here coming to Davos from some time now I think that it’s like 20 years and 10 years or something like that. So what did you make of this year? Richard let’s start with you.

[00:06:54] R: So the big reaction I have is a lot of optimism about the global economy. Every country in the world, with the exception of Brazil, showing strong growth. That’s the first kind of coordinated growth we’ve had since the Great Recession in 08-09. And so a lot of business people were very optimistic. And then on the government leaders, the frame of on one side Macron who talked about the need for a global trading system in which countries give and take. And then President Trump talked about America first in a very profound way and said obviously it’s working because the stock market has hit record highs 84 times and also that the record low unemployment rate for Hispanics and blacks and so Americas a great place to invest. So, it was really quite a contrast between the European view, I guess, and in the American view. The idea of sustainability or of block chain were of course present. But they weren’t as powerful to me as the contrasting messages of Macron and Trump.

[00:08:01] EL: What about you Jimmy? What were your main takeaways from this week?

[00:08:04] J: I mean, with Richard, I saw a lot of optimism which always makes me a little bit nervous because Davos gets too optimistic and we have a financial crisis. You know we always seem to get that wrong.

[00:08:14] CG: Sometimes they hit the theme better than others. Sometimes it’s completely off for me this year talking about a fragmented and fractured world was quite interesting and I felt it was spot on. Is that what you saw during the week? A fragmented type of discourse? People say one thing and then another person doing another?

[00:08:32] J: That’s interesting because I didn’t take the theme as, the conference to be fractured world within the Davos community because I think one of the classic criticisms of Davos is a lot of like-minded people talking to each other, trying to save the world, all being very rich. That’s kind of the classic put down of Davos. But I think outside there is quite a fractured world and I do think it’s something that this community needs to address and to think about is to say ‘look, there are very broken narratives in many countries where people can’t even agree on basic facts and that makes it very hard to make democratic progress, progress on the goals, all those things.’

[00:09:09] CG: So is it because you didn’t feel a lot of this because there is an etiquette that we felt that prime ministers and heads of state were all very worldly in their remarks as opposed to just like say what their national narratives are?

[00:09:23] J: I would have liked to, in the Q & A with Trump, I would have liked Klaus to ask him a question about a perennial Davos issue like climate change. He had an opportunity to not be insulting but just to say you know…

[00:09:38] CRE: What are your views on this?

[00:09:40] EL: Because he did say some interesting things the other day after he came out of the meeting with the Prime Minister of Norway that actually he thought there were some possibilities that we might accept some parts of the Paris Accord because it would be good for business.

[00:09:53] RE: Well it’s almost as if a lot of the countries are just leading and carrying on in sustainability because it suits them. And if it’s China or if it’s India you’re forced by air pollution to do this.

[00:10:07] CG: Maybe I’m biased because I love you both very very much but I do feel that both of the conversation very central to the entire, both of your themes and conversations, were very central to everything I heard in Davos. Fake news. They need to actually be more transparent and factual but also trust & you launch the trust barometer 2018 a couple of days before Davos. Can you talk about the findings and what was the reaction of the Davos man and woman to your findings of trust?

[00:10:38] RE: First, business is actually ahead of NGOs in many markets in terms of trust. Second, there is a clear sense of a return to expertise. Third, this polarization between politics particularly and last, you actually see now the trust is not related either to economics or necessarily to an event like a tsunami or something. It’s actually something that is how the country feels about its institutions and whether there is reliable information which is a perfect segway to Jimmy.

[00:11:09] JW: We’re bringing together wiki style community with paid professional journalists to work together to generate something new in the space of news and really want to be very neutral, very factual, very evidence based. But I think people really do feel that there is a bit of a turning point going on. The quality trusted news brands are beginning to be very successful. New York Times had a huge spike up in subscriptions because the public is really coming to understand that the kind of information we’ve been getting across our social media feed hasn’t been satisfactory. And one of them, for me, one of the interesting findings in the Trust Barometer was that the decline in people’s trust in social media is a source of information.

[00:11:50] RE: People want experts, technical experts, academics, even CEOs those poor benighted fellows are now seen as more credible. And actually most biggest changes +70% of people trust their employer the most. So, news from the company is suddenly something really important because it’s close to home – it’s like the news safe house for the employee. And two thirds of people also said they think business can make money and improve society. The same two thirds said they don’t want companies to wait. They don’t want CEOs to wait, they don’t want to wait for government to move, do stuff.

[00:12:25] EL: We just take the lens back and think about what Modi said to start off the week, the implications of globalization is losing its luster, yet we can’t achieve the global goals without collective actions. So can we achieve them without globalization?

[00:12:40] JW: It all depends on what we mean by that. I would say in general, obviously no, right? We have to have a global outlook for certain issues, like the climate for example. You can’t fix the climate in just one country. It has to be fixed globally. On the other hand, what exactly people mean by globalism is always different in different peoples’ minds. And what Trump put forward today as you know in a more positive way than he has in the past is this, you know, idea of sovereign nations looking after their own interests but looking for deals that are mutually beneficial to everyone. OK, if that’s your view of the rise of nationalism, it doesn’t sound so horrible. As opposed to, I fear, we’ve been seeing we’ll continue to see the rise of a really nasty kind of nationalism which is I’m in it for my country and screw you all not looking for win-win solution.

[00:13:35] RE: So, particulate matter in San Francisco is going up because of coal plants in China. If you want a better symbol of globalization and the need for some degree of harmonization of rules on pollution, that’s it. So, you know, there’s no helping going around the idea that you have to have everyone prospering and having some agreed rules.

[00:13:58] EL: We heard Christine Lagarde saying, it’s time to fix the roof while the sun is shining, which I guess means that there’s something wrong with the roof, right?

[00:14:07] R: I think the gap between rich and poor is huge. And more than that there are new problems. There are more people today, a billion people who are obese and that’s more than malnourished for the first time. That’s a new fact. And so, you know, with again this sort of new prosperity new middle class etcetera. We do have to focus on these emerging issues.

[00:14:30] CG: I want to ask a personal question before closing but so again just because we just closed with President Trump and I think that neither of us was surprised and nevertheless I wonder whether, you know like, there was something that you hope that would be said? I was hoping that there was going to be in that narrative something about gender, for example, that he was going to use this opportunity to talk about that.

[00:14:58] JW: it didn’t feel like a speech he came to give at the World Economic Forum. It was a general speech about his policies and so forth so that was a little disappointing. I did, like you, had hoped you would sort of address the crowd more specifically on things that are of interest here.

[00:15:14] RE: I disagree with my friend on this point. I think Trump’s world view is that every country should follow the example of the United States. It’s free markets, let capitalism go and it’ll fix everything on the basis that it will employ poor people, it will train people just let the business people go.

[00:15:33] EL: He did say free but fair trade.

[00:15:36] RE: Yes fair trade means fair in the sense of America gets a fair share of trade. So for me the vision part of America that really has to be reinforced is about values and democracy and rights and freedom and, again, it’s the most perfect expression. Business does that.

[00:16:01] CG: Last year Edie you and I were talking about like probably our highlight was having heard a global leader with President Xi coming on actually just like stating something so grand and so like profound and.

[00:16:14] RE: I am sure that his view is ‘I did exactly that and that you should follow the example of America and deregulate and have markets run and will somehow come to the right solution’ as opposed to this grand version or vision of harmony and a plan. And so it’s two fundamentally different views of the world.

[00:16:34] EL: Interesting. A different world view than perhaps a lot of people here would naturally find.

[00:16:38] RE: It’s opposite of a Davos Man or woman. It is a, you know, hard charging, you know, almost a small businessman approach to commerce and it’s a view.

[00:16:50] CG: Thank you so much Richard, Jimmy for joining us here to wrap up the week here in Davos. We’ll let you guys go home and collapse.

[00:16:57] CG: And have a great year.

[00:17:01] EL: So all of that, all of what they said, directly ties the global goals to reach the goal, the world needs steady growth more equal distribution and a relief from wars. Whether it be those be wars with guns or trade wars.

[00:17:15] CG: But the phrase ‘we are going in the wrong direction’ was repeated a number of times.

[00:17:21] EL: I heard a lot of people who graced the studio here this week talking about climate change, talking about very specifically moving away from coal, talking about fixing the way we produce food, talking about fixing the way we eat food and the way we consume. I heard a lot about the positive aspects of block chain. I also heard a lot about the negative effects that the block chain that cryptocurrencies could bring just in terms of adding heat. I heard there’s another great comment from Kevin Delaney, the editor of Quartz said that for him this year at Davos, climate change and robots are probably going to kill us but women and the block chain are going to save us.

[00:18:07] CG: I also think that a big chunk of a conversation was regarding how we bring the 50 percent of the world to be in a better place. Meaning talking about women, talking about gender. I think that there was the same amount of conversations happening at the World Economic Forums, at side events discussing gender, girl empowerment, education. Where a lot of the players that were part of those conversations were not members of the World Economy Forum, but overall I think that the need to campaign what I heard that was interesting was not only how much momentum it created but also that we have to watch out that we’re not overdoing it because there might be a backlash on reaction about like. And I did feel it even myself about like how people didn’t want to have one-to-one meeting with me. You know like overall just like being very careful and very cautious about like well you know like now we have to be over cautious & over careful so…

[00:19:03] EL: I also heard some stories about men still behaving quite badly. So I do think we have to be careful about that.

[00:19:03] CG: Not only the President’s Club story broke here while we were in Davos with you know like the London story making it the most popular story on the Financial Times in decades.

[00:19:20] EL: One final point for me. I spoke to Alicia [INAUDIBLE] who is talking about, OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can’t get it right, who is saying to me that women are the face of poverty in Latin America. For every hundred men who are in extreme poverty, there’s a 118 women.

[00:19:37] CG: All right. OK so I think that we are going, this is a wrap. We launched the Global GoalsCast in the World Economic Forum this year. We’re liking what we’re seeing with these people care more about these issues. We want to provide a platform to identify the champions that are making progress to make sure that we talk to the people that are making the effort because getting to a better world requires a lot of effort. And we’re going to make sure that we will continue telling the story of those champions being the individuals, citizens, companies or governments that are making it. So, that was Edie Lush. And I’m Claudia Romo Edelman. This was the Davos GoalsCast part of the Global GoalsCast. See you next time.

[00:20:19] EL: To make sure you don’t miss any of our upcoming episodes, subscribe to us at Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. While you’re there, you can also check out our dramatic episode about polar adventurers, Robert and Barney Swan, father and son team that walked to the South Pole using only renewable energy. And, finally, for the latest news and developments or to share your own stories, follow us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @Global GoalsCast.

CREDITS: Thank you to our partners at the United Nations, UNICEF, World Food Programme, UN Foundation, SDG Action Campaign of the Office of the UN Development Program International Office for Migration, International Development Law Organization, Malaria No More, Rollback Malaria, Project Everyone and Pvblic Foundation. We are also grateful for the support of Hub Culture, SAS, Cultural Intelligence, Freuds Communication, Saatchi & Saatchi, Action Button and of course CBS News Digital. We want to recognize individual champions who have been supporting Global GoalsCast: David Sabel, David Jones, Will Lewis and Seven Hills.  And then to our amazing advisory board: Jacob Weisberg, Steve Rubel, Kate Stanners, Dali Schonfelder, Matthew Freud, Christy Tanner, Fon Mathuros Chantanayingyong, Sergio Fernandez de Cordova, Dinesh Paliwal and Scarlett Curtis

And a special thank you to HARMAN as the official sound of Global GoalsCast. And finally none of this would have been possible without the support of our main patron and Claudia’s husband Richard Edelman who has been the angel behind Global GoalsCast.

Journey Across Antarctica: the Swans and Climate Change

The interior of the Antarctic is among the most inhospitable places on the planet. The air is fierce, thin (10,000 feet) and lethally cold. Thirty years ago, Robert Swan walked across this icy desert to the South Pole. He tried again, departing November 2017, this time with his twenty-three-year-old son, Barney. Their goal was to highlight the importance of sustainable energy and the imperative to curb climate change, two of the Global Goals set by 193 nations in 2015. They traveled with only renewable energy sources.

Rob, now 61, was obviously older than the first time. He trained hard to make up for his own change, though what he could not prepare for was a change in the Antarctic. He told Global GoalsCast:

The surfaces across which we were travelling were surfaces none of us have ever experienced before. Not just me, five of the top polar travelers in the world who are making journeys in Antarctica have all commented on the fact that the surfaces this year in Antarctica are different than they’ve ever been before…We believe – all of us – that it is a sign that we are changing even in the coldest parts of Antarctica.

Melting of the sea ice in both the North and South polar regions is well documented, but Swan’s observations call attention to something new and disturbing. Though not yet scientifically proven, it raises the concern that climate change is possibly reaching the interior Antarctic. The ice was like a pie crust, he reported. Each step his skis and sled would crack through and sink several inches. Slogging through the fragile ice slowed him down to a pace that could not keep to the set schedule that included adequate rest and recovery time for Rob.

Swan noted that scientists will need to study the wind, snow and temperature patterns to better understand what’s happening. These are crucial studies. More water is held in Antarctic ice and snow than anywhere else on earth. If it were to melt it would have a dramatic effect on sea levels around the world.

Part way through the journey, Robert stopped and sent his son and the team forward to finish the trek. After a rest at base camp he rejoined them for the final 60 miles as they reached the South Pole. Robert handed his son a small marble globe, a symbolic passing of the baton in the continuing effort to get the world to pay attention to its excessive energy use. By phone from Antarctic Robert Swan said:

Our effort, yes, is extreme, but what it gives us is a story which can underline and hopefully inspire people to make change because we cannot carry on as we are. The way that we are living is not sustainable. If we can survive here [in Antarctica] on renewable energy than we can do that anywhere on the planet – and that is the message.

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Robert Swan

Robert Swan is the first person to have walked to both the North and South Poles. His leadership and determination made his 900 mile journey to the South Pole, the longest unassisted march in history. He was awarded the Polar Medal by Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II and is a United Nations Goodwill Ambassador for Youth.

Robert is a polar explorer, a leader in energy innovation and founder of the 2041 Foundation. This story of unbelievable spirit will take you on a journey of inspiration, courage and humility. Robert committed to his dream at the age of 11, achieved it with a team after 22 years and is now, on a 50 year mission to help preserve Antarctica.

Barney Swan

Barney Swan was born in London, United Kingdom, and then moved to tropical Far North Queensland, Australia at the age of 7. Being raised off grid in Australia helped him developed an acute understanding of how valuableenergy is, with conveniences often not being an option. With degrees in Business and Multimedia, Barney now lives and works in California, co-directing 2041’s expeditions and ventures. Over the last 5 years, he has applied and trained skills in outdoor leadership, team management, & project strategy.


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[00:01:35] CLAUDIA ROMO EDELMAN: This is the Global GoalsCast…

[00:01:36]  EDIE LUSH: …a podcast that explores, “Can we change the world?”

[00:01:39] CRE: In this episode, father and son try to walk together to the South Pole.

[00:01:44]  EL: But an unexpected environmental change disrupts their carefully laid plans.

[00:01:53]  CRE: I am Claudia Romo Edelman in New York and we have an incredible story for you and it dramatizes a key element of the Global Goals.

[00:02:00]  EL: Exactly! I’m Edie Lush in London. There are 17 Global Goals: eradicate poverty, improve education… but last year the Secretary-General of the United Nations said that one Goal had become what he called the main accelerator of the entire effort. Failure here would disrupt all the other goals and that one goal is curbing climate change.

[00:02:20]  CRE: And so climate change will be an important topic for us here on the Global GoalsCast. In this episode we will travel with Robert and Barney Swan, father and son, on a trek to the South Pole. Sixty days, 600 miles, with only renewable energy and we will experience with them a change they had not anticipated.

[00:02:43] EL: Robert Swan is the first person to walk to both the North and the South Pole. It was over 30 years ago that he reached the South Pole. This time he wanted to go back with his 23-year-old son Barney. Their purpose was to highlight the urgency of shifting to renewable energy and, as you’re going to hear, it was an emotional adventure.

[00:03:04] CRE: I got to know Robert and Barney really well actually my whole family was with them. We even put up a tent in my living room to train on yoga moves that Rob could do in the Antarctic so that he could keep his body limber. This is how thorough their planning was.

Edie, they planned for everything, everything except a change in the Antarctic since Rob Swan first walked to the South Pole 30 years ago.

[00:03:33]  EL: They set out for the South Pole on the 19th of November 2017. Before he left, Rob had agreed to check in with Claudia for the Global GoalsCast.

[00:03:43]  CRE: I caught up with Rob 28 days into their walk and a very painful moment. Rob had realized he was in trouble. The trek was harder for him that he had anticipated for reasons he will reveal to us later.

In this conversation, he agonized about whether he could go on or should leave his son Barney to continue without him.

[00:04:10]  ROBERT SWAN: We are right, right in the middle of Antarctica. We’ve reached the halfway point.

Very hard conditions, very tough outside. It’s minus 28 degrees. The wind’s blowing, the wind chill factor is probably putting it down into the 30s… 35 (below zero). It’s just a huge white sheet – 360 degrees. It’s very, very hostile out there… very, very hard to be 61 years old making this journey.

The nightmare of being weaker, to pass a little slower than the rest of the team has caused a huge amount of psychological problems for me because I still think I’m back 30 years ago.

And if I’m going to be slow, I’m going to die.

But having my son Barney, who’s been a revelation and has really made it possible for me to reach this stage of the journey, and we’re all very, very proud.

We’re sitting around and we’re looking at numbers and we are looking at distance from the South Pole – 500 kilometers. If I’m a bit slow, am I going to hold things up to the extent we might not meet the deadline? There’s a huge amount of suspense and drama taking place on the very day that we’re making this call.

The decision will be, do we go on or do I have to go back? [His voice chokes with emotion] It’s really hard to leave my son to go on. It’s really, really hard if I make that decision. You have no idea what that feels like. I’m sorry… I get upset.

[00:06:19] CRE: Rob decided to drop out. Barney went on. I called Rob again about two weeks later. He was back at base camp. Even so, reaching him wasn’t so simple.

[00:06:33] CRE: This is the Global Goals cast calling you from New York to Antarctica 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Copy.

[00:06:42] RS: I can copy you loud and clear.

[00:06:44] CRE: Robert, It’s an honor to have you. It’s been quite a journey so far. Today is more than 20 days since you left. How do you feel?

[00:06:54] RS: Well, It’s been a very difficult time for me personally because dealing with the word ‘failure’ is not that something I dealt with before in polar expeditions.

But now I have accepted that it was definitely the right choice to make. The doctors here at base camp have given me permission to join our team and I’ll be meeting Barney, Martin, and Kyle at 89 degrees south in a few days time. So, although I will not have done the whole journey with my son Barney, I will complete the journey with him.

[00:07:47] BARNEY SWAN: This is Barney reporting from the South Pole Energy Challenge. Today has been pretty brutal on all of us… aches and pains. The technology’s all working very well. The ice melt has given pretty much all of our drinking water during the day.

Missing Dad a lot. I haven’t spoken to him since he departed, so [I’m] looking forward to having a good chat at some point. Definitely starting to feel the effects of Antarctica a little bit. We’ve got some blisters and bumps on our feet.

[00:08:25] RS: It’s an unbelievable thing that he [Barney] is in the process of achieving. He’s going through – as I speak now, which was very painful for me to hear – lots of toe damage. It’s called “banged foot,” which is an Antarctic condition where your foot is hitting the end of your boot too much. He is not going to lose a toe, but he’s in a lot of pain. He’s really gone thru hell to make it this far since I sadly had to leave him.

[00:09:03] CRE: So Robert, tell me, what were your last words to Barney?

[00:09:06] RS: The last words were the most difficult words in my life.

I know what this place is and where I left Barney was in minus 25 and it was windy and cold. But the rest of the journey, after I left him, you go into hell – and it’s cold hell. You’re going up to 10,000 feet above sea level. The temperature will fall to minus 40. The wind chill will just be indescribable.

To look into his eyes and to know that I wouldn’t be next to him to help him was the worst moment of my life so far. So my words were to him that his blood is my blood and he had it in him to do this.

[00:10:05] BS: Hello, this is a quick update before heading to bed. We have had a pretty long afternoon of going up and down and up and down. Seems like we’re on roller coasters.

We saw some really big [inaudible] today. The biggest yet – wild formations. Something out of a science fiction film. Fifteen feet tall, some of them. We’ve been going small cracks, which is a reminder just to keep super aware of where we are and kilometers of ice that underneath us.

Really thinking a lot about what is going to be like to come back to the so-called real world after this experience. It’s definitely makes you think a lot about our life style.

[00:10:46] RS: I cannot wait to see his face in a few days time, 60 miles out from the Pole. And as he helped me when I was suffering, I look forward to taking the weight off his sleds to help him while he is suffering. Father and son together, side by side again. It’s going to be a fantastic moment.

[00:11:10] CRE What did Barney say looking at his father having taken that very strong decision and having comforted you so far.

 [00:11:17] RS: He said to me, “Dad, I always thought you were a badass, hard person, but I’ve never seen anybody struggle as you have to keep up to make sure that you haven’t delayed us. But Dad, it’s time. I cannot bear to see you suffer any more. Get back to base camp. Do it.”

My recovery has been slow. It’s been hard. To put it bluntly, I knocked the hell out of myself to make half of the journey and not slow them down.

[00:11:53] CRE: Ten days ago when we spoke you told me that I wouldn’t recognize you because your face was completely deformed. Could I recognize you now?

[00:12:00] RS: Yeah, you could recognize me now, but I have to say that I think it’s aged me.

[00:12:10] CRE: You prepared hard for this journey, but tell us about the change in Antarctica you hadn’t expected.

[00:12:12] RS: Not just me… five of the top polar travellers in the world, who are making journeys in Antarctica, have all commented on the fact that the surfaces in this year in Antarctica are different than they’ve ever been before. And these people have been doing it like me for 30 years.

The surface is a bit like a piecrust. Imagine if you are on skis and you’re walking across a crust that’s like a pie, but then crust collapses and your skis go down, let’s say 3 or 4 inches, into that crust and the sled does the same.

Every step you take is twice as hard and twice as slow as it used to be.

We can’t say that it’s scientific fact, but what you can say is that people with 30 years’ experience are noticing a difference in the surface of the snow here in Antarctica, which in my view has to point to some changes in wind patterns, in snow patterns, in temperature.

We believe all of us that it is a sign that we are changing even in the coldest parts of Antarctica… some of the surfaces across which we’re traveling.

[00:13:49] CRE: Has the change in the Antarctic ice made it so much harder and that’s the reason why you, for example, having done it for 30 years, you couldn’t finish a trip?

[00:14:00] RS: Exactly, because I couldn’t get rest. I found myself having to struggle harder and harder and harder to keep up… and we didn’t fall behind in mileage that you need every day.

[00:14:17] CRE: And how would you compare the attention that the Arctic ice is getting versus the attention that the Antarctic ice is getting?

[00:14:23] RS: The Arctic is an example of what we mustn’t do here in the Antarctic. The Arctic is going through huge changes, very obvious changes, but no one really seems to be listening much changes.

                  I focused on Antarctica because we believe there is hope.

If we all use more renewable energy, no one’s going to come here to drill it, to mine it. It just won’t happen because it won’t make financial sense. That’s the purpose of our journey. 

We also want very, very much to support the United Nations because the United Nations and their commitment, and all of these things, the fantastic Paris Climate Change Agreement, all the things that the United Nations has done, people need to know more about it.

It doesn’t matter whether current presidents of countries are withdrawing from agreements, it doesn’t matter. The world made an agreement and we need to support those things and mark those things and be very positive. And I think the United Nations has got to come through harder and stronger on these issues.

[00:15:49] CRE: Yes.

[00:15:50] RS: …as well as all the other issues that they have to deal with and we would like to support them.

[00:15:54] CRE: Rob, that piecrust of ice is a powerful metaphor for all of us. Climate change stopped your journey in an unexpected way. It can affect all of our journeys. Tell me how you feel now as this expedition is nearly at the end.

[00:16:15] RS: The end of this journey is really the beginning of the journey. This is our first launch of what we call the Climate Force Challenge. This is the beginning of our next stage to keep cleaning up our world of CO2 from the atmosphere.

What I feel, though, is that it now becomes Barney’s mission, not my mission. I have supported him to get to this stage. Barney now with his generation must move this forward.

It’s a seven-year mission to inspire people to use more clean, renewable energy. To remember those two parts of the United Nations commitment. One is on climate change; the other is on renewable energy. So we want to support them.

But it’s giving everyday people a chance to make some changes with ideas that we’ve had out here. I’ve worked so hard on this end to recover, to get ready, to train and in three, four days time I will stand side by side with my son to celebrate his achievements.

At 23 years of age Barney Swan has shown courage that is just simply outstanding and I cannot wait to be standing side by side with him again. It will very cold up there, probably minus 40, but we’ll stand side by side and walk into the South Pole.

[00:18:03] CRE: Yes.

[00:18:09] BS: We had a pretty amazing moment today. The Last Degree (polar expedition company) plane buzzed us as we were marching and we can just imagine this little Last Degree team in the plane looking down at us and we’re 60 nautical miles until we reach the South Pole.

[00:18:28] RS: I have in my hand, actually as I’m speaking to you, a tiny little globe. It’s the world made out of a lightweight kind of marble. And when I reach the Pole, Barney and I standing there, I’m going to hand him that and say, “Barney, I’ve spent 35 years getting us this far. I want to hand to you this back on and I will now support you with what you want to do and your plans and your future.”

[00:19:02] CRE: Edie, since the last time I spoke to Rob he managed to join Barney so that they could go into the finishing line together. Once they reached the South Pole, we were the first phone call that they made.

[00:19:16] CRE: Robert, you made it!

[00:19:18] RS: We made it. We’re all safe and Barney is now with the medical doctor here at the base camp having his frostbite treatment on his feet. I think Barney has a story now that is truly authentic.

He did it for real and I believe that he is passionate, alongside his father, to really make this work and inspire young people about the whole issue of renewable energy, climate change and making something of your life, making your dreams come true.

We have been on the edge of death. If we made mistakes, we die  – and our world, I believe, is on the edge of killing itself.

To re-enter society and to see people just being consumed, and consuming – not thinking about energy, Not thinking about poverty. Not thinking – not thinking – that that we are in a survival situation in the world is very, very hard to return to when you are in survival mode.

But I think Barney is looking forward to making sure his feet are good, looking forward to a hot bath and looking forward to an another thing that we take for granted: I think everybody listening is sitting in a chair. We have not sat in a chair for 60 days.

It has been daylight for us for now for 70 days. We’ve never seen dark. So all we’ve seen is light. So it will be very interesting to return to darkness.

The things we will look forward to are the things that we all take for granted. I think that’s an important message.

[00:21:31] CRE: So, Edie they were re-united. They made it to the South Pole. It was a tremendous journey that gave them not only an incredible set of experiences as father and son, but also changed the future as Robert passed on the baton to Barney.

They’re flying from Antarctica to Davos where we’re going to have a conversation. So their first stop will be our session in Davos at the World Economic Forum, “From Antarctica to Davos.”

[00:22:00] EL: That’s super cool. The good news is they won’t need to change their clothes at all because Davos is pretty much the same temperature.

It’s also incredible because I think the experience has a message for all of us. We know that the Earth’s climate is incredibly complex. We know that carbon is making the atmosphere warmer, but the results of this are emerging in so many different ways.

[00:22:26] CRE: Edie, what I see about climate change right now is an incredible relationship in the need for people to move. So you will see that necessarily in some places people cannot stay because it’s going to be melting, so they will have to move because temperatures will continue rising and as we know the world is hotter and hotter and that will have an impact as well on migration.

And I don’t know that we have necessarily taken enough measurements to accommodate for environmental refugees either.

[00:22:58] EL: Claudia, we’ve promised to make the people who listen to our podcast smarter. So here’s the three things that you need to know about climate change.

Over the past half century the Earth’s temperature has skyrocketed. The planet’s average surface temperature has risen two degrees Fahrenheit since the late 19th century. And this is a change that we know is driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.

We also know that carbon dioxide warms the planet and we’ve increased the amount in the air by nearly half — most since the 1960s. Ninety-eight per cent of climate scientists agree that our carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming.

And the third thing is that the Arctic sea ice is shrinking and glaciers are retreating worldwide. Seas could rise three feet by the year 2100 or maybe even more.

[00:23:56] CRE: Edie we always say that we’re going to give our audience actions. Climate change has really the most concrete actions that people can take because they’re so tangible.

[00:23:48]  RS: Every single person doesn’t have to walk to the South Pole to make a point. But people should make an effort themselves, even if it’s a click of a mouse, to make changes that they can make on their use of energy.

You can buy clean electricity. You can buy a small solar panel to charge your mobile phone. You can think about changes in your diet. None of these things are difficult to do. We can’t carry on as we are. The ways that we are living is not sustainable and our effort here in Antarctica are an example that, if we can survive here on renewable energy then we can do that anywhere on the planet.

[00:25:03] CRE: The United Nations launched the “Lazy Person’s Guide to Saving the World” and I think that you can find every piece of information that you can do from the things that we just said. Turn off your light, shower shorter, don’t use plastic cups, and so on. So go to our website at and check out the actions that you can take from our partners’ action button.

The beautiful thing is we’ve got a story with Robert and Barney Swan that will go in the books of history and we got them recording for hours and hours because Roberts Swan he told me over the phone that one of the things that he really used to recover during the time that he was in base camp was record audio as a way of reflecting, self reflecting.

So we will have the privilege of having the most personal account and recount of these journey the 60 days. We’ll have an entire month dedicated to exploring the journey of Robert and Barney and as a way of doing, really go deep into climate change.

[00:26:15] EL: And if you want to make sure you don’t miss that or any of our other episodes, Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts or where ever you get your podcasts and please follow us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook at Global Goals Cast for the latest news and developments.

[00:26:31] CRE: And that was Edie Lush and I am Claudia Romo Edelman and thank you for being with us.

CREDITS: Thank you to our partners at the United Nations, UNICEF, World Food Programme, UN Foundation, SDG Action Campaign of the Office of the UN Development Program International Office for Migration, International Development Law Organization, Malaria No More, Rollback Malaria, Project Everyone and Pvblic Foundation. We are also grateful for the support of Hub Culture, SAS, Cultural Intelligence, Freuds Communication, Saatchi & Saatchi, Action Button and of course CBS News Digital. We want to recognize individual champions who have been supporting Global GoalsCast: David Sabel, David Jones, Will Lewis and Seven Hills.  And then to our amazing advisory board: Jacob Weisberg, Steve Rubel, Kate Stanners, Dali Schonfelder, Matthew Freud, Christy Tanner, Fon Mathuros Chantanayingyong, Sergio Fernandez de Cordova, Dinesh Paliwal and Scarlett Curtis


And finally, none of this would have been possible without the support of our main patron and Claudia’s husband Richard Edelman who has been the angel behind global goals cast and Rob and Barney Swan.

The World is on the Move

“Migrants are the ultimate agent of development,” William Lacy Swing, head of the International Office for Migration, says in this episode of Global GoalsCast. 

Indeed, 13 of the 17 Global Goals are linked to migration. 

“We can’t achieve the Global Goals without encouraging people to move around,” says co-host, Edie Lush.

Decisions made now about migration – by countries and individuals – will likely determine whether the Goals are achieved by the deadline of 2030. “the economic powerhouse that migrants are needs to be nurtured,” says Louise Arbour, Special Representative for International Migration for the United Nations.

In this episode, you will meet Brenda, a migrant from Mexico, who as a fourth grader crossed the Rio Grande at night with little but her parent’s dreams for her. Now, she works as a software engineer for Google. Migration changed her life. But what about a child in Mexico today who might want to follow her path? “One of the largest threats to the global goals is the backlash against migration in major parts of the developed world,” says co-host Claudia Romo Edelman. 

How can the backlash against migrants be eased so the power of migration can drive global development?  Romo Edelman and Lush seek answers from former mayors of San Antonio and Dublin as well as from a leading representative of The Catholic Church.  Fear can’t be addressed without empathy, they suggest. “They really do feel threatened or they really do feel rendered insecure or disoriented,” says the Father Michael Czerny, undersecretary to the “Section for Refugees and Migrants” in the new Vatican department for the Promotion of Integral Human Development.

 “So its worth being sympathetic first of all rather than condemnatory.” An orderly system setting the worlds rules for migration will help reassure people, says Romo Edelman. 

Featured guests

Aqel Biltaji

Aqel Biltaji is the former mayor of Amman. He was appointed by the cabinet of the Greater Amman Municipality in September 2013. He had occupied several positions over the course of his life most famously as a tourism adviser to King Abdullah II and as chief of Aqaba’s city council.

Brendan Carr

Brendan Carr is an Irish Labour Party politician and member of Dublin City Council. He was Lord Mayor of Dublin 2016/2017.He was first elected to Dublin City Council at the 1999 local elections as a member for the Cabra-Glasnevin local electoral area. He was re-elected in 2004 but did not contest the 2009 local elections. He returned to Dublin City Council representing the Cabra-Finglas area at the 2014 Local Elections. Carr is a SIPTU trade union official.

Henry Cisneros

Henry Cisneros co-founded CityView in 2000 and serves as the firm’s chairman and sits on each of CityView’s Investment Committees. In 1981, Cisneros became the first Hispanic-American mayor of a major U.S. city, San Antonio, Texas, where he was elected to four terms. In 1992, President Clinton appointed him Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. In 1997, he became president and COO of Univision Communications, the Spanish-language broadcaster. He is a member of the advisory boards of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Broad Foundation, and was honored by the National Housing Conference as the “Housing Person of the Year”.

Khalid Koser

Formerly deputy director of the Brookings-Bern Project on Internal Displacement, Khalid Koser is the executive director of the Global Community Engagement and Resilience Fund. He is an expert in international migration, refugees, asylum, and internal displacement.

Philippe Legrain

Philippe Legrain is a British political economist and writer. He specializes in global and European economic issues, notably globalisation, migration, the post-crisis world and the euro. A visiting senior fellow at the London School of Economics’ European Institute, he is a former adviser to European Commission president José Manuel Barroso from 2011 to 2014.

William Lacy Swing

William Lacy Swing is the Director General of the International Organization for Migration. He is a diplomat and former United States Ambassador, and United Nations Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Under Secretary General.

Michael Czerny

Michael Czerny, S.J., is a Canadian Jesuit who has worked with various Jesuit social justice initiatives for over thirty years. In December 2016,Pope Francis appointed Jesuit Father Michael Czerny as an undersecretary to the “Section for Refugees and Migrants” in the new Vatican department for the Promotion of Integral Human Development. Czerny first served as the founding director of the Jesuit Centre for Social Faith and Justice in Toronto from 1979 to 1989, then as director of the Human Rights Institute at the University of Central America (UCA) in El Salvador. From 1992 to 2002, Czerny served as the Secretary for Social Justice at the Jesuit Curia, and subsequently served as the founding director-coordinator of the African Jesuit Aids Network (AJAN) until 2010. Since 2009 has been an adjutor to the African Bishops Conference and Synod, as well as personal assistant to Cardinal Peter Kodwo, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

Louise Arbour

Louise Arbour, CC GOQ is a Canadian lawyer, prosecutor and jurist. She is currently the UN Special Representative for International Migration. Arbour was the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, a former justice of the Supreme Court of Canada and the Court of Appeal for Ontario and a former Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. From 2009 until 2014, she served as President and CEO of the International Crisis Group. She made history with the indictment of a sitting head of state, Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milošević, as well as the first prosecution of sexual assault as the articles of crimes against humanity.

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[00:00:01] P1: I could not have had the opportunities I had if I had been over there. I will not have gotten to intern for Google or even have a job with them now.

[00:00:11] P2: Yes. The world is on the move. And we will see more of that.

[00:00:15] P3: The economic powerhouse that migrants are I think has to be nourished.

[00:00:20] P4: Am deeply concerned over the policies of some national leaders are taking at the moment putting disparate xenophobic chauvinistic view of society is going to damage the world in general.

[00:00:43] CG: Welcome to the Global Goals cast. The podcast that explores if we can change the world. I’m Edie lush Lush and I am Claudia Romo Edelman. We’re happy to have you here. And this episode we’re going to look at migration. Why is it essential? And how the backlash against migration is the direct threat to the Global Goals set by the United Nations, right after this.

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[00:01:15] EL: Welcome back. On this episode we’re going to talk about an issue close to my heart and Claudia’s and that’s migration. We’re both migrants, we and our children have benefited enormously because we are able to move from country to country. For me it’s the U.S., then the Bahamas, back to the U.S. became an internal migrant moving from the West Coast to the East Coast, and now I live in the UK and Claudia, you went from Mexico to..

[00:01:41] CG: Well practically everywhere.

[00:01:43] EL: Enough about us, but we’re going to look at migration through a very special lens today and that’s not just the lens of the good migration has done for us. And the millions of other individuals and families or even the really familiar discussions of the desperate people fleeing the world’s most horrific troubled spots.

[00:02:00] CG: Now we want to highlight how different the world would look like 12 years from now depending on the decisions about whether we close off migration, we close the borders or we build bridges and whether we encourage a migration that is more orderly and systemic or we just want to build walls.

[00:02:17] EL: Migration is baked into the Sustainable Development Goals. Here’s William Lacy Swing, the director of the International Organization for Migration explaining the connection.

[00:02:26] LS: 3.5% of the world’s population are international migrants. That’s the 244 million as I mentioned. But these 3.5 percent of the world’s population are producing 9 percent of global GDP and that is 4 percent more than they would have produced if they stayed at home. So when people ask me what’s the relationship between migration and development, I say migrants are the ultimate agents of development. 

[00:02:53] CG: To show the power of migration in a few minutes we’re going to introduce you to Brenda who we love because she’s such an example about a typical story of a girl that crossed the Rio Grande from Mexico into the U.S. when she was nine. And with nothing but her parents dreams of a better future for her. So you will see how that arrival has been affected not only her but also her family and both Mexico and the U.S. She is earning money, sending money home etc. So we will talk to you about what could happen over the next 12 years if the next Brenda, some nine years old in Mexico today, stop from repeating her journey by the backlash against migration.

[00:03:40] EL: 12 years of course is the year 2030 and that’s a year that the U.N. has set to achieve 17 global goals to end extreme poverty and encourage growth in ways that don’t wreck the environment. Our job on this podcast is to hold those goals up to the light and ask what it’s going to take to achieve them, highlight successes and call out threats. It actually surprised me to see how many of the Global Goals were linked it to migration. 13 out of 17. Which leads me to think that we can’t achieve the global goals, without encouraging people to move around and from where I live in the UK, the opposite seems to be happening.

[00:04:18] CG: One of the largest threats of the Global Goals for me is the backlash against migration in major parts of the developed world, meaning the countries that used to receive these migrants. I spoke to Henry Cisneros who is the former mayor of San Antonio about this.

[00:04:43] HC: At a time when the wage structure has changed, the number of jobs has reduced, the nature of industries has changed, populations are getting older less secure economically and even in physical capacities. To see new comers with their different accents, with their strange names, with their different complexions, with large families it’s no doubt going to create major tensions.

[00:05:12] CG: Then I met Father Michael Czerny the representative of the Holy See to the United Nations when I was in Puerto Vallarta actually during that Global Compact for migration.

[00:05:22] FM: First is to understand and even to sympathize with the feelings of fear, of insecurity of bewilderment, of frustration that people do feel. In a certain sense their reactions are not completely baseless or irrational, they really do feel threatened or they really do feel rendered insecure or disoriented. And so it’s, it’s been sympathetic first of all rather than just condemnatory.

[00:05:48] CG: So why these internal political fights within certain countries a threat to the Global Goals. To answer that we have to talk first with an expert or two about how migration works a sudden economic force, then it will be so much easier to show how the whole ambition of the global goals could be the railway by political efforts to curtail migration, and I think that the best person I spoke to about is my new boss.

[00:06:11] EL: Not just because she’s your new boss.

[00:06:13] CG: Not just because she my new boss. She’s is the smartest & she is a representative of the secretary general for Migration in 2018. She is in charge of making the Global Compact for migration a reality. And this is Louise Harper.

[00:06:26] LH: They are today as we speak in the world about two hundred and fifty seven million migrants. This is people who live, have moved and lived for more than one year outside their country of birth or or nationality. They are overwhelmingly migrant workers. They have a rate of employment higher than that of native population. Forty eight percent of migrants are women and they’re not all just a member of the family of a man. They are millions of women who are migrant workers in their own rights and the economics are mind boggling. Migrants spend about 85 percent of their income in the host country and the 15 percent that they send home, today represents 600 billion dollars a year. About 450 of that going to developing countries. That amount is three times the amount of official development aid that wealthier countries send to developing countries so the economic powerhouse that migrants are I think has to be nourished and we have to capitalize on that force.

[00:07:34] EL: So now have a listen to William Lacy Swing doing a little more myth busting.

[00:07:38] LS: The mythology is that migrants are coming to take our jobs when in point of fact migrants are the ultimate development agent, they are actually in most cases actually producing jobs in the SME’s, they come in and they end up themselves creating businesses and hiring people.

[00:07:59] El: So that’s the big picture. But as a journalist, I always want to have the human example of what an economist says. So now let’s introduce Brenda. She’s a real migrant just like us. She arrived in the US aged nine from Mexico and here she is speaking about her parents.

[00:08:14] Br: My mom was a secretary at Nissan in Mexico City. My mom only has a high school degree because she did have me very young. And my step dad worked as a driver for the vice president of a company. He was any way have a high school degree. When they moved here, my mom was actually out of the job for about six months when they moved, she couldn’t find anything, she didn’t speak the language of course. But my stepdad worked in construction for a really really long time, after that my mom started working at a dental lab where they make like fake teeth and stuff like that,  just helping out like minor tasks. And they worked at Wendy’s during that time, they were both working at Wendy’s & construction, they started dabbling with cameras. And just like going to their friends like birthday parties & like taking a little video and editing a little bit & my mom teaching herself how to edit online. So eventually they were able to get into a full grown business for video photographers.

[00:09:19] EL: So they were self-sufficient from the minute they got to the US. We’re going to hear more about them shortly but first of all have a listen to my friend Felipe McGrane. He’s a journalist economist and author and he had this to say.

[00:09:30] FM: Migration is also beneficial to the country to which migrants move, for the migrants come and do jobs that either the locals don’t want to do or are not able to do. They boost enterprise, creativity and innovation, widen the range of skills and ideas in the economy, and research for the IMF shows for example that an increase of the migrant [INAUDIBLE] population by 1 percent tends to boost productivity and income levels of the existing population by 2 percent. So, that’s really really significant. And if you think about it migration is a bit like starting a business. It’s a risky venture and it takes a hard work to make it a payoff and it’s a natural way to get ahead if you arrive in a country with a few contacts or without an established career.

[00:10:17] Unknown: Global Goals cast has the most incredible network of partners that contribute with ideas, stories and evidence points to bring you the most relevant interesting and compelling goals Cast content. Special thanks to the International Office for Migration for this episode.

[00:10:36] EL: We heard earlier about Brenda’s parents and how they moved to America worked multiple jobs before setting up their own business. The small and medium sized enterprises that William Lacy Swing talked about.

[00:10:46] CG: Do you remember that point that about remittances.

[00:10:47] EL: Exactly.

[00:10:48] CG: I absolutely loved that aspect of the migration. Those are the new figures that get me going that was that I want to repeat to my friends and here’s what Brenda’s parents do for their relatives in Mexico.

[00:11:00] BR: They send back money to my grandmother. She’s getting older and I really want to hold a full time job in the morning and stuff like that. So she definitely needs money. My stepdad also has two other kids. So he sends them money. They will have kids as well. So it’s basically the people that my parents send money to my grandma and my step dad’s two kids.

My grandma basically raised me along with my mom. So for my grandma it was really hard not only to lose her daughter but also me. My mom was also a huge huge support to my grandmother growing up just in terms of helping with the house and the bills and all that stuff. So it was a really big big hit for my grandmother. I think mostly and also having my step siblings foster dad who’s here now so they are better off economically that if he wasn’t here but they also don’t have their dad. My step sister finished high school and she started going to culinary school but she did not finish. And my step brother was going to college for electrical engineering but dropped out once he had his kids so he was almost, he did not finish.

[00:12:23] EL: So there’s quite a contrast between Brenda and her stepsister.

[00:12:26] BR: I started in the fourth grade. Now I did not know any English whatsoever. So it was really hard concession just trying to learn a new language. And just the shock of the culture shock that you have to adjust to all what is just being alone right not having any friends, any family besides your parents. I guess moving around was a big thing for us to we didn’t have a car, it’s moving around and speaking the language. And even the school bus for me it was a completely new concept. I had never been on the school bus. This is the first time I got on it I didn’t really know what to expect. On your word to get off for anything. See those little things like that. Come fifth grade, there was a couple of schools that came to talk to us about applying for their schools for middle school. But I decided to go with Ann Richards. My English was still lacking a little bit. So that mean I got put in special classes for my first year of sixth grade which really helped me improve my English. And by the end I was practically the same as my classmates which was great. They also provided a lot of support for what I was in high school for summer camps and things so I kind of discovered what programming was and knew what it was, but I’ve never done it but I thought it was so interesting. And also we didn’t have a computer science class, and with the help of some teachers who were able to make a class which really helped me on later decide what I wanted to do in college. So fast forward I graduated from Ann Richards and then I now attend the University of Texas at Austin and I’m studying computer science and I’m actually graduating in two weeks. That’s great.

[00:14:14] EL: The Ann Richards School which we heard about in the first episode of The Global Goals cast helped inspire her to become a software engineer. And we know how rare those female computer programmers are..

[00:14:24] CG: Which would they shouldn’t be. But I have hopes that actually that’s going to change in the next years.

[00:14:30] EL: Her interest in programming led to a really exciting opportunity and after a nerve racking process with things called host managers..

[00:14:37] CG: That sounds like the [INAUDIBLE]

[00:14:39] EL: Or something like that. It’s now a reality.

[00:14:45] BR: Got an interview with one of the project for Google and they got told no and I was like, Great. Yes, about two weeks later I had another interview with another manager and they also told me no. But on the last day that I was supposed to be a host matching, my recruiter got back to me like OK I have one more person that wants to interview you. This is the last chance you have, It was like, OK. So I talked to that manager and luckily he said yes. And he was right like the day before my birthday which is like awesome.

I was so happy and in the end that’s how I got my, my internship. And I went to California for three months and got an offer to come back as an intern again and then intern in Boston and then working in the Boston. As a software engineer and then going to working up for their Google Photos team.

[00:15:38] EL: And I asked Brenda how she felt about working in the same area as her parents.

[00:15:42] BR: It was actually funny because when I was about 16 & I was tried to take photographs of my parents and helping them with their business. I tell my parents that I did not want to do that. I did not like it. So I was going to college to do something else. So, then I got my offer letter from Google with like the photos team, I called my mom and was like it’s just fate, I can’t get away from it.

[00:16:06] CG: Edie, I want to hear how Brenda originally go to America.

[00:16:10] EL: Here is where the story takes a twist.

[00:16:13] BR: My parents both tried coming here illegally. They got rejected just because the way the immigration status say my parents obviously didn’t have any money, they didn’t have a job set up here. Nothing. They were also trying to get me illegally but my parents weren’t able to do it. And this has to do with the fact that I did not owe my biological father but whose names in the birth certificate. So in order for me to get a passport as a child you need both signatures from both parents. My step dad actually came to the states first & he saved lot of money so he paid the people that passes what we call a [INAUDIBLE] a lot a lot of money. There will be a very long journey. So basically we went up to [INAUDIBLE] so that state borders Texas by bus, we took a bus there, Mexico City and we got there. We left Mexico City around 11:00 p.m. got there about 3:00 p.m. the following day, and we went like this car dealership the place where they’re like asked us things and stuff like that. So we stay there for the night and they come back first early in the morning, and basically I remember just run run run, get to the river, take off your clothes put us like this loading thing. Get us cross the river run run run some more. We’re doing this in June. So it was crazy hot. You get into a car told us to stay down. Once a house and they made us wash our clothes we ended up having to leave everything we had on us. And then they took us into another car at that time, they separated my mom and myself. My mom originally never wanted to get separated from me just in case anything happened. But they separated us once we are already in the states and past the checkpoints are past normally like if I was somebody else and my mom was sitting in a car to made it to Austin.

[00:18:20] EL: So, Brenda is currently in limbo.

[00:18:21] BR: My future just a little bit uncertain at the moment. Come August in terms of my immigration status, I am a Dokka student. So..

[00:18:29] EL: Brenda illustrates the power of migration as well as the drama and the risk. As a fifth grader she forwarded the Rio Grandey into Texas from Mexico because her parents wanted a better life for her. She found the Ann Richards School named for a crusading female governor of Texas. They guided her into speaking English. They taught her math and coding. They center on to Texas’s great public university, and now to a job at Google. However she’s in the U.S. illegally. She had no documents to enter that night, she crossed the Rio Grandey and she still doesn’t. I think we know that Brenda is going to have a happy ending. She’s already received the biggest benefits of migration. Her education, her training, her multilingualism, her job with a global company and the money she and her family has been sending back to Mexico. Even if the anti-immigrant politics in the U.S. force her to leave the USA, Google has said she can have a job in Canada or Mexico. In fact when I spoke to her, her biggest fear is whether her Spanish is good enough.

[00:19:40] CG: I know, that’s a big problem for Hispanics. I can testify myself. What I want to know is what about the Brenda of today, a fifth grade girl in Mexico today, will be Brenda’s age in 2030. She’s one whose life will be one of a million life stories that will add up to whether the world achieves the global goals or fall short. Will she get to come to Texas and attend the Ann Richards School? Will the backlash against migrants lead with her options and the options of all those others trying to make it and to have better lives? So I spoke to Lord Mayor of Dublin about what’s at stake.

[00:20:18] BC: Deeply concerned over the policies of some national leaders are taking at the moment and I think disparity, center phobic chauvinistic view of society is going to damage the world in general.

[00:20:32] CG: So we’ve got a variety of people that spoke to us about migration. We heard the personal story that girl that crossed the mayor of the city, the father from the Vatican, Louise Arbour. My sense and I do have a sort of like a strong opinion on this is at migration in general is positive. I think that the speed of migration will increase, and the third part is that it has to be regulated. I understand the fear of the other angle, the receiving countries, or the people from the receiving countries, who are scared and are based on perception rather than data. But it is also fair to say, yes, if you’re used to having a community where you have your friends and your neighbours, and your habits and so on, when you go to the supermarket and you can no longer find the bread that you buy on Sunday’s because now you find tortillas, it is a shock. It is a cultural change and you have to actually be realistic about how do you manage that so that it’s integrated and I do think that it is an issue of putting the rules of the game to make it regulated for everybody.

[00:21:57] EL: So and from my perspective I’d say from being from California and seeing tech leader after tech leader say we’ve got to have migration. You can’t if we don’t open the doors to have people from from Europe from India actually we won’t be able to create the solutions for the technology that will solve the world’s problems so that’s sort of one part of what I see. And I actually see from when I’ve lived in London how much has changed and how much the neighborhood has changed, in my neighborhood there never used to be a Polish grocery store. Now there’s loads of Polish grocery stores. I think you can great it with fear or I think you can greet it with enjoying the multiculturalism but I’d love to hear from you is when you were in Puerto Vallarta at the beginning of the Global Compact. What are the ways that people have started talking about how you build this framework, where countries talk about, how many folks come in and out and how does that sort of structure start to look?

[00:22:50] CG: Do you mind If I actually just like say what the global compact for migration is once again?

[00:22:56] EL: I would like you to say what the Global Compact for Migration? Could you please tell us what the Global Compact for Migration is?

[00:23:03] CG: Thank you for asking. So the Global Compact for migration, it will be the Sustainable Development Goals type of treaty for migration. It is trying to make the rules of the game to make migration regulated orderly & systematic with the approval of one hundred ninety three countries. Ideally it will be done and launched by September 2018 with a huge summit in December 19 in Morocco where I hope to go and afterwards go on celebrate in Marrakech. I say that’s a plan.

[00:23:36] EL: I think that’s a good plan, I know you like a plan.

[00:23:39] CG: I love plans. So keeping the global compact for migration, I mean having these incredible number of countries and not every country came and there was one that pulled out the last minute not the only one but the important one and I thought it was going to be like a party pooper. Just like your [INAUDIBLE]. Actually the show went on and it was the first conversation that I saw turning around an issue and turning the tone from a conversation that people felt I’m not going to be talking about it and there were more than 2000 people in that conversation. A big part of this problem is that we don’t understand the phenomenon enough even if it’s historic, you don’t know the points, you don’t know when people leave and why they leave. How is their journey, what is their arrival and when they return. We need to understand what is the state of a person when they decide to leave their home. Can you imagine what has to go through your mind when you are leaving, what kind of like emotional, psychological push you need to have and I don’t know whether we were either quantifying it or understanding it enough, we’re not understanding the risks of the journey when someone is leaving to get to another destination. When people arrive to a place I think that that’s where the focus has to be, integrated not integrated, good for society, not good for society and so on. But also it’s hard when people try to go back home you know.

[00:25:06] EL: But even just in terms of folks who decide to move to be an economic migrant. I think you could possibly argue that I was an economic migrant I wanted some adventure. I wanted to see what life was like somewhere else. I had a huge opportunity to go to and when I decided to move to the UK.

[00:25:20] CG: You too look like an adventurous.

[00:25:21] EL:  I, I seriously adventurous.

[00:25:25] CG: You like, like non-stop migrant [INAUDIBLE]. But the one thing I think that I also found fascinating about Puerto Vallarta, I do think that migration is the topic for 2018 to understand better not because it’s my new job but the UN working on migration only. But it is because by trying to understand the phenomena we came up with incredible numbers. I was surprised about the remittances numbers that [INAUDIBLE]

[00:25:53] EL: Incredible.

[00:25:55] CG: It just like crazy. When having four hundred and fifty billion dollars sent from..

[00:26:00] EL: developing country to developing country.

[00:26:03] CG: Exactly.

[00:26:04] EL: Three times the amount

[00:26:06] CG: So the question is if you stop migration who is going to do you have to increase foreign aid.

[00:26:11] EL: Right

[00:26:13] CG: Or who is going to do the increasing foreign aid.

[00:26:14] EL: Right

[00:26:15] CG: Because there is..

[00:26:15] EL: In this political planet, who’s going to increase the foreign aid. Okay so it’s interesting you said that our country didn’t show up, the United States didn’t show up or I thought it was really interesting was that some of the U.S. states said they wanted to be part of the global compact.

[00:26:28] CG: And another really interesting phenomena about migration is that cities are taking that power because they can actually establish the rules of the game and cities in general are the ones that are receiving migrants that are producing with migrants that are you know like..

[00:26:46] EL: And being open to migrants to.

[00:26:47] CG: Exactly, so that’s going to be a space to watch.

[00:26:51] EL: So as always we’re going to leave you with some facts you can share and actions you can take. If you’re talking about migration at lunch here’s three facts you can share.

[00:27:00] CG: So add up all migrants in the world and they will be the fifth largest country. Two hundred and fifty five million people. Brazil and Indonesia put together.

[00:27:13] EL: Migrants send 450 billion dollars home to developing countries each year. That’s three times the amount those countries receive in international aid.

[00:27:23] CG: And migrants add 4 percent more to the global economy each year than they would have, if they would have stayed home.

[00:27:30] EL: So of course all this talk without action is meaningless. So, we want to leave you, 

our dear listeners with some actions you can take to be part of changing the world. If you want to do more, go to the action section of our web site – where our partners from action button will help you get engaged.

[00:27:49] CG: Thank you for listening. Our next episode is live from the World Economic Forum in Davos where we will have an exclusive first interview with Father and Son explorers Rob and Barney Swan after returning from their six hundred mile trek from the South Pole using only renewable energy walking for 60 days.

[00:28:10] EL: And if you want to make sure you never miss a show, subscribe to us at our website-  iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts and please follow us on Twitter Instagram and Facebook at Global Goals cast. We’ll give you the latest news and developments.

[00:28:26] CG: That was Edie Lush and I am Claudia Romo Edelmen. Thank you for being with us until next time. Bye Bye.

Thanks to all our U.N. and NGO partners. We are also grateful for the support of Hub Culture, Freuds Communication, SAS, Saatchi Saatchi and CBS News Digital.

Special thanks to Peter Gabriel for our amazing music during this episode.

Want to change the world? Educate girls

Want to change the world? Educate Girls.

Education is the “key” and “the foundation” to improving the world, according to the United Nations. Episode 2 of Global GoalsCast explores the power of education, particularly educating girls. “Keeping girls in school makes a huge difference,” says co-host Edie Lush. “This is probably the single most powerful step the world can take to improve not only girls’ lives but the lives of their families and countries”.

Number 4 of the 17 Global Goals is to “ensure inclusive and quality education for all and promote lifelong learning” by 2030. Co-host Claudia Romo Edelman doesn’t mince words. “It’s such a huge task”, she says. Today there are 120 million children between 6 and 15 who do not attend school at all and millions more whose schooling has failed to teach them to read, write or do basic math. Romo Edelman says there will be no grand solution. Instead, she says, educating every child must happen school by school and student by student. “A thousand small steps that add to the big dream”.

Lush and Romo Edelman visit two schools to show this. The first school serves some of the poorest children in India, the Adavasi. Toilets, textbooks and uniforms are needed just to keep the girls in school. Faced with that struggle, bigger goals are hard to come by. “No one ever asked me what my dreams were”, one mother told Dr. Jeannette Monosoff Haley, co-founder of the Shree Nityananda Trust, which supports the school. In Austin, Texas, we visit a school created to inspire and guide girls to dream big and set high goals. This school, Lush says, has what Monosoff Haley wishes she could offer for her students.


Brenda is actually studying Computer Science at UT-Austin. She is undocumented and was the first in her family to graduate from high school. She has a memorable story about, as a very young child, crossing the border into the United States with her family. At ARS, she participated in a competition at MIT where her group designed and built food storage units that could be used in the desert. She has interned at Google and has a job offer for when she graduates from college.


Malala Yousafzai is a Pakistani activist for female education and the youngest Nobel Prize laureate. She is known for human rights advocacy, especially the education of women and children in her native Swat Valley in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, northwest Pakistan, where the local Taliban had at times banned girls from attending school. Her advocacy has grown into an international movement.

Ellen Richards

Ellen Richards is the Chief Strategy Officer at Integral Care where she oversees team responsible for strategic direction for the organization, resource development, external and internal communications, government affairs and community outreach/diversity. Ellen is also the Chair Emeritus for the Ann Richards School Foundation, a foundation that raises funds and forms partnerships to advance education, empower young women and create opportunities for girls who may otherwise be held back from achieving their full potential.

Ellen Richards

Sruthi Palaniappan is from Cedar Rapids and a student of the Harvard University is a big supporter of Clinton, the first woman to be nominated as a presidential candidate by a major political party. Sruthi made history when she was given an opportunity to represent Iowa during roll call votes.

Tamara Gisiger

Tamara Gisiger is an 11 year old Mexican-Swiss living in New York City. Tamara is a Goodwill Ambassador for Nalu, a fashion design firm that produces teenager clothing with the aim to support education for children in India. Born in Switzerland to a household of activism and art, Tamara has traveled the world with her mother Claudia Gonzalez Romo and has developed a great appreciation and empathy for the global community. Being trilingual in English, Spanish and French has also broadened her insight and opened the world up to Tamara in a very special way. 

Jeanette Monosoff-Haley

Dr. (Mrs.) Jeanette Monosoff-Haley is the Co-Directoer of the Shree Nityananda Education Trust.  She has completed a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology, a Masters in Clinical Psychology and a Masters in Transpersonal Counseling.. For over twenty five years, Dr. Haley worked as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Individual Psychotherapist in her Private Practice, at the Indian Health Service (a US Federal agency) in Taos, New Mexico, and at a Geriatric Mental Health Clinic in San Francisco. Together with her husband, she volunteers to co-manage the Fire Mountain Retreat Center as well as work closely with the TMA Indian partners and the various social work projects.

Justin forsyth

Mr. Forsyth joined UNICEF in May 2016. He brings over 25 years of experience in international development, advocacy and strategic communication to the UN children’s agency.  Mr. Forsyth has served as Chief Executive Officer of Save the Children UK.  From 2004 to 2010, as Special Adviser to UK Prime Ministers Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, Mr. Forsyth helped shape global efforts on development, climate change and humanitarian policies, including leading successful efforts around G8s and G20s. Prior to this, he worked for Oxfam from 1989 to 2004 in Oxford and Washington DC.



Dennis (pronounced Denise) will be the first in her family to graduate from college. She was the Boys & Girls Club Youth of the Year for Texas. She also was awarded the Bonner Scholarship, which is based on community service, and she was involved with the National Hispanic Institute at the state level., born William Adams, is a multi-faceted entertainer and creative innovator, a seven-time Grammy Award winner, and founder of I AM ™.  He is well-known for his work with The Black Eyed Peas, who have sold 31 million albums and 58 million singles worldwide, advocates regarding the importance and power of a good education through his angel foundation.  As part of’s philanthropic commitment, he hosts his annual TRANS4M Conference and Benefit Concert during Grammy Week.  Recognized and honored by numerous industry organizations, was named a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum in March, 2013, in recognition for his role as a STEM education advocate.  He is the recipient of multiple Grammy Awards, a Latin Grammy Award, an Emmy Award, a CLIO Award, two NAACP Image Awards, a VH1 Do Something Award, the BMI President’s Award and a 2008 Webby Award.

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[00:00:00] P1: She could not understand what that even means. What does it mean to have a dream? One lady is literally says ‘no one’s ever asked me what my dream was’.

[00:00:09] P2: She just looked into my eyes and then she closed her eyes and she just smelt it. She smelt the uniform and it was like the first new thing that she’d ever smelt.

[00:00:18] P3: To be able to know that I was capable of achieving more than what society considered this is what someone who falls under this category can achieve.

[00:00:29] P4: Education is not a privilege. Education is a right. Education is piece.

[00:00:45] EL: Welcome to the Global GoalCast.

[00:00:49] CG: The podcast that explores if we can change the world.

[00:00:51] EL: I’m Edie Lush.

[00:00:52] CG: And I am Claudia Romo Edelman. We’re happy to have you here.

[00:00:57] EL: Yeah! This episode we’re going to talk about educating girls, two stories talking about how keeping girls in school changes their life and so much more.

[00:01:04] CG: Right after this.

[00:01:05] AD: In every episode, we will give you the sticky facts and figures that you will want to share with your friends over coffee. All data is brought to you courtesy of SAS. Our official analytics and data visualization partners. And you can go to our website at to find even more data visualizations and maps. We love you SAS.

[00:01:29] CG: Our job in the Global GoalsCast is to tell you the stories of one of the most remarkable combined efforts in human history. 193 nations have set goals from 12 years from now everything from ending extreme poverty to fighting climate change and making the world a better place and making it for all. So with those ambitious goals why are we focusing this episode to education on girls Edie?

[00:01:55] EL: I remember the first time I met you in fact you said that if you scratch the surface of the goals, what you see is they are all super dependant on each other. So we’re going to be talking a lot about that. We’re also going to talk about how hard it is to reach these goals and how a failure in one goal or one area can undermine reaching all the other areas.

[00:02:15] CG: They are so connected.

[00:02:16] EL: So we’re going to start with education in particular educating girls because this is probably the most single most powerful step the world can take to improve not only girls’ lives but the lives of their families and actually the economies of countries. UN is called education the key the foundation to all sorts of other goals like health, prosperity and amazingly even tolerance and peace.

[00:02:40] CG: The goal overall within the Sustainable Development Goals is to provide by 2030 free education for everyone on primary and secondary school is such a huge task, if you think about it. And if you think where we are right now, we have 120 million children between 6 and 15 years old that are out of school and that’s a huge challenge.

[00:02:58] EL: More girls are in school now than in the past. There are still more likely than boys to drop out or be kept out of school and still too often families favor boys over girls when they’re investing in education, even though research shows keeping girls in school makes a huge difference.

[00:03:18] CG: It is also regional and a lot of these challenges happen in regions for example sub-Saharan Africa and South and West Asia. And just in those areas, if every woman in those parts of the world would have a secondary education, child marriage would be reduced by two thirds, earnings of the women would rise, early pregnancy until Labor would be reviewed, you get it, I mean it’s a cycle. Like you would actually start changing the vicious cycle into a virtuous cycle. So here’s Malala Yousafzai who’s an activist and Nobel Prize laureate explaining the situation.

[00:03:54] MY: Education is not a privilege. Education is a right. Education is peace. Dear world leaders promise us that you will keep your commitments and invest in our future. Promise that every child will have the right to safe, free and quality primary and secondary education.

[00:04:23] CG: That was Malala talking at the United Nations. She is probably the most inspiring girl to girls. There is no doubt that girls know Malala and want to help and have become activists on education because of her.  So the world is very long way from educating every child from today. But there is one thing that is clear there is not one grand solution that we can take and think OK, so if we would do one thing, it will happen. I think that we have to realize that for progress over the next 12 years in which we have to commit to achieve these goals has to be done one by one, student by student, school by school, a thousand small steps that would add to the big dream.

[00:05:17] EL: OK, so we’ve got two stories that show this. Two girls one’s from India, the other one is from Texas.

[00:05:22] CG: A Hispanic by the way.

[00:05:13] EL: And there you go. Both of them are now finishing college and that is thanks to some inventive efforts and actually quite a few efforts. Lots of thousand small steps on either side that kept them in the school. First of all, we’re going to go to India and talk about Priti and her rural school and things that I took for granted, the things that my kids take for granted having textbooks, having a toilet and having a new uniform, having a uniform at all make a huge world of difference. And actually you can see pictures of Priti in her school on our Web site. That’s

[00:05:57] CG: Which is very cool.

[00:05:59] EL: So I spoke to Dr Jeanetta Monosoff Haley. She’s the co-founder of the Shree Nityananda Education Trust. She’s originally from Oregon. Actually she went to St. Mary’s in the Bay Area which is very near to where I’m from. She’s actually she moved to Taos, New Mexico. She’s been living in India for the last few years. I spoke to her about going to school in the tribal areas and Jeannetta works with the Adivasi people. Now these are a collection of tribal people who are some of the poorest in India.

[00:06:30] CG: Yeah!

[00:06:31] EL: They live under or close to the definition for extreme poverty, the $1.90 a day range –  which UN Goal number 1 commits the world to eradicating.

[00:06:39] JMH: Sarasvati secondary school has about 90% Adivasi and these are people who are very forgotten by the Indian government. Some of them are half farm that may be a couple acres at the most. So their schooling is substandard compared to anything in the city. And the children have to do their chores before they ever go to school. So the girls particularly are up maybe four or five with mom in the morning to wash clothes and bathe and cook before they ever get to go to school.

[00:07:13] So it’s a really tough life for these tribal children. The cost of a uniform, you know, might be twelve hundred rupees which can be very expensive for them and the girls might not get their parents to buy them a uniform because why should we educate our girls because they’re just going to get married and move in with another family. It’s not worth the investment to educate her. Saraswati secondary school, when we first met them, there were 200 students and there were no bathrooms for the girls. So what that means is the girls either have to hold it or they go home in the middle of the day to pee or they go in a bush.  So a lot of girls drop out because there’s no bathroom. The other thing we notice is thw school only had five sets of textbooks for these 200 children or per class of 60 I guess it was. So we did a fundraising to buy them books so we bought enough books so every ten children had a book to share. I mean how can you study math without a textbook. I mean, how can you study anything without bringing your book home or at least being able to stay after school an hour and study.

One of the biggest problems here in the tribal area is that the girls are getting pregnant early because the fathers want to marry them off and get them off of their dining table and get them off into the new table and they might be getting married at 15-16. Now that’s against the law, but out here in the tribal area there’s no police, you know there’s none of the services we’re so used to in the West. So these kids just fall through the cracks.  Having a baby when you’re 15, 16, 17, 18 your own body has not matured. You’re not producing the healthiest baby you can. So there is a drive to try and keep girls in school so they won’t have go off and get married and have a baby before they’re ready at least till 18 is considered the minimum.

So many of these women, they’ve never had a dream. One lady literally said no one’s ever asked me what my dream was.  For Priti who is 16, 17 at that point, it’s just not a concept about having a future. Particularly if you come from a poor family. Maybe the dream is she is going to have a nice husband and a nice mother-in-law and maybe they won’t be too mean to her.

[00:09:40] CG: So these are some of the poorest people in India and into the scene work two international kids who came up with a creative way to help these children.

[00:10:03] EL:They were visiting with their parents who are volunteering at a school Jeanetta’s trust was involved in.

[00:10:08] CG: And those are Finn & Dali from Nalu.

[00:09:59] FS:  As they were like volunteering as chiropractors and like, chiropractic and adjusting all these kids, me and my sister were making friends on the playground with these kids cause you’re in the very school they were at.  And we just loved being and visiting with their friends and they love chiropracting so much and we went back there every single year. But one year when we came back, we realized some of friends were actually gone. So we did some research and we asked the teachers and other kids and they said that they were gone because they simply didn’t have a school uniform. So, that’s how we started Nalu actually because we simply just want to help our kids get back to school and get their school uniform.

DS: Yeah, as a 13 year old girl I just couldn’t believe that something so simple and so ordinary like a uniform had such a crazy huge measurable effect and an impact.

FS: I could really see myself in these kids.  I couldn’t imagine these kids not being in school or being in a dangerous situation. This is something we simply did not like & we were going to change this and this has just turned into our passion.

DS: What now it really comes down to that it really does break the poverty cycle, you know? You have uniform and you can go to school. For every four products that we sell we give one school uniform.

[00:11:32] FS: Four for one.

[00:09:59] DS: Yeah! Four for one. But it’s like, you know, letting the way that you live, being the way that you give at the same time. It’s kind of our motto I guess. You know, you should be able to not have to go out of your way to give you know, you shouldn’t have to go on some website to donate to this organization or that organization. You should just be able to live your normal life wear the clothes that you like to wear, eat the food that you like to food…

FS: Brush your teeth every morning.

DS: …live your normal life and at the same time be able to give back, you know? This is where the ‘Buy One, Give One’ sort of comes in place, where you get a product that you want to wear, say a shirt or a cap or a backpack and at the same time you give children the opportunity to stay in school.

FS: …It’s that simple.

DS; The very first school uniform was given to a girl called Priti. And she was about to leave school because she couldn’t afford to pay for a uniform and she’d never owned anything new before in her whole entire life. And then when I gave her a uniform she just looked into my eyes and knowing that moment I really knew that Nalu was going to work you know, either it didn’t matter what was going to happen after that, at least may be one little impact you know like it worked. She just looked into my eyes and then she closed her eyes and she just smelt it. She’s smelt the uniform and it was like the first new thing that she’d ever smelt. And then she just ran to the bathroom and put on her new uniform and then she walked out like the red dusty school playing and she looked like she she’s was just glowing. She was so happy because that uniform was so much more than just a piece of clothing for her. It was, it was the key to her freedom, you know. She could now stay in school instead of having to be at home. And who knows what would have happened…

FS: Actually what we found out on our last giving trip is she’s gone to college now. So that was like, oh! my god, like me and Dali that was one of the happiest moments that this first school uniform recipient that we’ve given if we didn’t give that school uniform she would now probably be pregnant like her other sisters. She’s now in college studying what she loves.

[00:13:28] CG: Those were Finn and Dali from Nalu. I love their enthusiasm, I love how children are taking the world in their hands and they’re not going to stop and wait until someone bigger and older and a system and a government is going to take change. They want to be empowered. They want to decide what they do taking action and actually involving children like mine into Nalu. Jeanetta also explains how making the uniforms gave work to the other people in their community.

[00:13:56] Jeanetta: We’ve been teaching women how to sew for almost 10 years even before we got here. And then women would come to me and say I want work. I want to earn money. I don’t care about the certificate, give me a job. I decided to see if I could figure out how to do a workshop. And we started with quilt making and over a weekend workshop we trained 18 women on how to make quilts. At the end of the workshop we hired eight of them and now we’re up to 35 and making the uniforms is going to take up three months of our work because last year with 775 uniforms.

[00:14:35] CG: So this is what I love about Nalu. The kids were supported by the parents to set up Nalu and then they created this model in which..

[00:14:43] EL: They work with Jeanetta’s trust who pays the women in the area to make the uniforms..

[00:14:50] CG: ..and then the uniforms goes to the kids.

[00:14:51] EL: I love it.

[00:14:52] CG: It’s great.

[00:14:53] EL: Dali & Finn’s father Vismai tells us more.

[00:14:55] Father:  I think it’s a really interesting one as a parent actually. Cause they started it when they were just 10 and 13. I mean it’s just growing quite organically actually that at a certain point, I mean we just had Nalu T-shirts & sweaters even blocking the doorways and there was so many products in the house and at a certain stage we were like, OK you know, business is actually working, we’re having an impact. But at the same time, they were still kids so how do you protect a child from the unnecessary things that a child doesn’t really need to know about a business. Like I didn’t want the children to know about cash flow when they were 10 and 13. I was just living these dream of selling T-shirts and giving school uniforms. So we just wanted to protect them from that. But what I really like sharing with them is the giving trips. As a family going into these poor communities in India and making an impact and letting the children find out from their own friends and seeing these children each year and going to different schools and exploring new places and keeping these, that’s it, poor village children in school.

[00:16:07] CG: As a mother, I can identify with Vismai’s desire to protect his own kids from the harsh realities of this world. But in reality, if you think about it, if you really mean that there is no one to protect you from those realities and there’s so many harsher realities in the world of Jeannetta’s she explained. So well, Priti is in College, her future is yet to be written.

[00:16:30] Jeanetta: These schools are so poor, just think of it, your teachers aren’t getting paid and these are tribal schools do not draw the best teachers and are so overworked they’ve got 60 kids to a class and so there’s no time for career counseling or exploring what might be possible after they finish the 10 standard or 12 standard. Why even take the exam? So in terms of a uniform, yes they got a uniform, yes they’re in school. They could show up at school. But why? Why go to school? And what possible opportunities are out there? Somebody needs to explain these things and inspire them to go forward. So Priti is not getting any of that. We have some girls who have graduated, got jobs as engineers. And one of my favorites, she graduated as an engineer got a job and now she just got married this year. And her face is on Facebook and she’s so happy and she’s a success story.

[00:17:31] EL: I have to say I love the story. It isn’t the super shiny story that I’d love to hear that Priti is doing amazingly well in college. She’s setting her sights really high. She’s challenging herself. But you know what we have to be super realistic. She’s not pregnant. She has not married. She’s in school, she’s got books, she’s got a toilet. And none of her other sisters ended up in college. She’s the only one who got this far.

[00:17:58] CG: And so when you’re supporting these small organizations, think of Priti. Those are the small steps that can make the big difference.

[00:18:04] EL: And when we come back we’re going to look at a school that goes the next step in guiding girls.

[00:18:12] Global GoalsCast has the most incredible network of partners that contribute with ideas, stories and evidence points to bring you the most relevant interesting and compelling Goals Cast content. Particular thanks to UNICEF today.

[00:18:26] EL: Welcome back. So now we’re going to share a story about the Ann Richards School in Austin, Texas. And one of its first students whose name is Dennis. So the school’s named after the female governor of Texas who set it up before she died. And it’s doing the things that Jeanetta wishes that she could be doing for the school girls in India. I actually met Ann Richards daughter, Ellen.

[00:18:46] CG: I remember when you mentioned. Yeah! She made a big impression.

[00:18:48] EL: I love her. And I met her in Austin this year during South by Southwest. And she told me what makes this school so special.

[00:18:57] Ellen: It has a STEAM focus: Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts and Math, and we work with girls to get them through high school, prepare for college and then were now developing programming to get them through college. The school was created with the idea of giving opportunity to girls who show promise but lack opportunity. And so majority of the girls, they go to school come from economically disadvantaged families and would be considered at risk and the goal of the school is to give them a true opportunity to achieve academic success and to pursue their goals to go to college. We wrap around the whole girl and really look at not just their academics but what are their leadership opportunities and how do we build those? How are they taking care of themselves & what are they learning about their bodies and what they need to do to be successful and take care of themselves both physically and mentally? And then again the college bound programming. So, we look at a multitude of aspects of their lives and really want to put them on the path for success by giving them the strong academic foundation, the leadership skills, the Wellman’s understanding and then that opportunity to go to college.

There are so many amazing girls and it really is just something incredible to see a girl come in as a 6th grader, scared, not knowing what to expect, and then to want to across the state of graduation confident and ready to take on the world. That one girl I can think of who graduated last year came with such an incredible story. She had come to this country when she was about 2 from Mexico with her mother. Her father was in prison. There really wasn’t much of a future for her and she heard about the Ann Richards School when she was in elementary school and she just decided that that’s where she wanted to go. She knew this was the place for her to be and so she worked hard. And she got into the school and stood up in front of the crowd of folks at a gala fundraiser we had to tell her story and the success that she has had and now she’s graduated and in at an ivy league school. I would like to say that she’s rare in our group but she is not. Many of the girls come with very serious and tragic stories but find their place at Ann Richards, get the support that they need to excel & then are going on to do great things. And they’re really do not only change their own lives but they’re changing the lives of their community.

[00:21:25] CG: So more recently we caught up with one of the students from this school. Dennis Vera.

[00:21:31] Dennis: The one of the things that the Ann Richards School did really well is that they believed in you. And they taught me to not let my socioeconomic background define me. And I think that’s one of the things I’ll always get from the Ann Richards School as well as the fact that I need to believe in myself and my capabilities and they provided me with the environment to be able to test myself, to be able to know that I was capable of achieving more than what society considered standard for ‘oh this is someone who falls under this categories can achieve’. When our stepdad was in our lives, he had this very specific definition of what a role of a woman was and what a role of a man was and I think just realizing you know you don’t fit into that definition and you are capable of achieving more and you can get a higher education, what you will get a higher education you can go even further on from that. When you come in and you’re a Hispanic and you are first generation college student and you’re low income, you just don’t have that base to go off. Everything is new for you and all you need is to have that one teacher that believes in you and that doesn’t automatically limit you because of your English fluency or because you look a certain way.

High school has been a rough time for our family but specifically within my 11th grade year. But when I had to take on two jobs because my mom didn’t have electricity and I had to take on two jobs and  I had to get up early in the morning and go to McDonald’s to get my internet. I remember during my 11th grade year when we didn’t have electricity and Miss Goka our principal came in on Sunday because she heard about our situation because my sister and I we didn’t really like to tell people about what was going on but the teachers are amazing as always so like they told Miss Goka about our situation. And so what happened was that Miss Goka came in one Saturday morning and she picked us up from home. And she opened up the school so that we could have access to the Internet and to the laptops. I remember we walked in on that Sunday morning and Miss Goka took us in to her office and she told us girls I know y’all are going through a hard time but I just want y’all to know that I believe you will overcome this. Because you are all so strong and our school was really good about providing us with resources like our librarian gave me a small laptop to use so that I would be able to do my work outside of home.

You know just having that support specifically during those difficult times I think that’s what really resonated. I’m pretty sure if I wouldn’t have had the support of the school and I wouldn’t have had them believing in me that I wouldn’t have believed in myself. And I wouldn’t definitely question whether or not I would have decided to pursue a higher education.

[00:24:30] EL: So there is a school that gives you dreams, right. Principals taking you to school on the weekend & telling Dennis and her sister that they believe in her, librarians giving laptops, having Wi-Fi, having resources, inspirational teachers and a really focused goal on producing female leaders.

[00:24:47] CG: Dennis will be the first in her family to graduate from college. She is passionate about helping others like care and I am passionate about finding Hispanic leaders and potential Latina power like her.

[00:25:00] Dennis: Oh! I’m doing a lot of things. I’m coordinating a program called Corazon within a nonprofit known as Amigos as the Corazon Coordinator, I work with students 5th to 8th grade. We focus on two main goals. The first one is empowering Latino students through their culture and the second one is guiding them through the process of acquiring leadership skills that will help them in the future. But overall just providing this environment where students can believe in themselves and in their potential.

[00:25:42] EL: We’ve heard two inspiring stories but Claudia how does this represent where we are in reaching the goal of giving every child a primary and secondary education?

[00:25:50] CG: I think that one of the biggest issues for me when it comes to education are two-folded. The first one is that eve Christine Lagarde says that poverty is sexist, I think that education is sexist too. And I have a problem with equity equation because in that category you have the most marginalized, be the disabled, the girls, the ones that are in rural areas where you don’t reach. You know like you really need to be walking three days to get to school but at the same time girls are really exposed to not get an education because a mother and I’ve seen it everywhere that I travel around the world. I know that a mother that has a lot of children and children are in many instances for a family that is not educated, they are their security. So families have a lot of children in order to support them when they grow old and naturally they think that if there is any future, it should be for the boys and so they send the boys to the school and the girls to pick up the water and help them with the house..

[00:26:54] EL: ..and get up at 4:00 in the morning & do the laundry.

[00:26:55] CG: ..And also the risks that are attached –  discrimination and vulnerability and the world being making a lot of progress in that education – but not for all. I mean like there’s so much progress and we’re managing actually to get every time more people in school and people in school for longer. So not only for until they are six years old, weremanaging to increase the number of years in which children are getting into school. So that’s why stories like Nalu is fascinating because you prolong the story through little pieces like Nalu giving a uniform.

[00:27:28] EL: Yeah! And every single year that you keep that girl in schools another year that she doesn’t have a baby, she doesn’t get married. Her body hasn’t been subjected to something that she’s not ready for and the chances she gets a little more education, and she gets a little bit more perception of the world and maybe she goes to do something else. What I was so struck by that Ann Richards School is that they teach the whole girl. So they’re really concerned about how she deals with her body, how she learns to speak, focusing on mathematics, on science and also thinking about your community, thinking about where you came from and also thinking about giving back, so if you’ve gained something from this education then what are you going to do to give back to the people that you came from?

[00:28:09] CG: We probably should compete for our 2018 podcast just to have a lens on girls. Overall what we’re doing because we know that you know like whatever happens when you invest in girls you’re going to see the returns in so many other areas so we’re openly accepting our bias towards looking at life through a lens of girls.

[00:28:28] EL: Yeah! And maybe someday Priti and Dennis will take over this podcast.

[00:28:33] CG: or join us at least.

[00:28:34] EL: Yeah! Let’s get them in.

[00:28:36] CG: There are three things that I think that can capture the three smart pieces of data that we want to talk about that capture how far we have to go.

[00:28:47] EL: So there’s 250 million children who can’t read, write or even do basic math. There’s 121 million children between 6 and 15 who aren’t in school at all and children themselves actually care a lot about this. There’s a UNICEF survey of 14 countries where children identified education, terrorism and poverty as the issues they wanted world leaders to tackle.

So we always want to leave you with actions you can take to be part of changing the world. So, if you’re interested in education and you want to do more. Go to our website, where our partners from Action Button will help you do that.

[00:29:29] CG: We want to end this episode of The Global GoalsCast with a word inspiration from rapper and entrepreneur and my friend who has been campaigning for the importance of learning particularly science, math and art. And here we got together at the GoalsKeeper Summit in September hosted by Bill and Melinda Gates.

[00:29:48] William:  Young people, don’t just compete over here. You can compete over there. And whoever told you couldn’t and are afraid that you will. So, compete. Someone told me that the world is based on greed and fear. Those greedy people are fearful that you’re going to compete with them and you have the ability to speak. There’s more people like you than there are like them. So compete. Talk directly to the people that are like you. That’s the simple message. If you’re in freaking, some Pueblo in Mexico if you’re in the ghetto in East L.A. or the Bronx or if you’re in a fifth world Mississippi think about how you’re going to contribute to the world of science, technology, engineering and mathematics. It’s not impossible.

[00:30:29] CG: Thank you for listening. Our next episode looks at migration.

[00:30:35] EL: And if you want to make sure you never miss a show, subscribe to us at our Web site –, iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts and please follow us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @GlobalGoalsCast. We’ll give you the latest news and developments.

[00:30:50] CG: And that was Edie Loosh and I am Claudia Romo Edelman.

[00:30:53] EL: Edie Loosh, I’m Edie Lush.

Thanks to all our U.N. and NGO partners. We are also grateful for the support of Hub Culture, Freud’s Communication, SAS, Saatchi & Saatchi and CBS News Digital.

Special thanks to Peter Gabriel for our amazing music during this episode.

Episode Zero: What are the SDGs?

Can we eliminate extreme poverty while curbing climate change? Can we have more equity and more economic growth? Put simply, can we make the world a better place for all?

This isn’t just some daydream you’ve probably had. It is the direct commitment made by 193 nations when they agreed to 17 Global Goals for the year 2030, 12 years from now. 

The Global Goals are ambitious, inspiring and daunting. They will require a level of cooperation and coordinated action unmatched in history—among governments, between government and the private sector and by millions of individuals holding leaders to account and pitching in themselves. Reaching the Global Goals will require major progress on everything from migration to education.

This brief episode introduces you to the goals and to your co-hosts, Claudia Romo Edelman, Special Advisor for UNICEF and expert on Marketing for social causes , and Edie Lush, journalist and communication coach.

“We are the first generation that can end extreme poverty,” Romo Edelman explains “and the last generation that can curb climate change.” Learn about this master plan for the planet’s future. “There is no plan B,” Romo Edelman reports. 

“Because,” Edie Lush adds, “there is no planet B.” If you want to be a part of changing the world you can start by listening to Global GoalsCast.

Featured guests

Caleb Tiller

Caleb Tiller is the United Nations Foundation’s Executive Director of Communications & Public Affairs, and brings over a decade of experience in communications, marketing and public relations to the position. He helps manage an award-winning team of more than 30 communicators, shaping the conversation about the Foundation’s work to connect people, ideas and resources to help the UN take on the world’s most pressing challenges.

Previous positions include tenures in the travel industry, the non-profit sector, and membership associations. Just prior to the UN Foundation, Caleb worked as Sr. Director, Marketing and Communications, for the Global Business Travel Association, an organization where he served for over six years. In his last position at GBTA, Caleb oversaw all of the organization’s event marketing, media relations, social media, and membership communications, for operations in North America, South America, and Europe. Caleb started his career as an educator, working for four years as a high school English teacher and college-level tutor.

Caleb lives in Washington, DC, with his wife, two children, and dog. He has been known to call himself music head, and has admitted on occasion that he is a terrible Twitter user.


00:00:00] P1: She could not understand what that even means. What does it mean to have a dream. One lady is literally says no one’s ever asked me what my dream was.

[00:00:13] P2: Last year we recorded the hottest day measured by NASA in the history of the Antarctic.

[00:00:15] P3: I could really see myself in these kids and I couldn’t imagine these kids not being in school, and being in a dangerous situation. We were gonna change this.

[00:00:24] P4: I just couldn’t believe that some thing so simple & so ordinary like a uniform had such a huge measurable effect and an impact.

[00:00:33] P5: We can make some differences. We need to make those differences.

[00:00:37] P6: And will mean, some girl, somewhere getting an education that otherwise she wouldn’t have been…

[00:00:40] P7: The list of 17 very ambitious goals. Let’s eliminate poverty, let’s eradicate hunger, let’s educate everybody, let’s ensure that everyone has access to good health, lets protect the environment…

[00:00:52] P8: Our individual progress and our collective progress, depends on our willingness to roll up our sleeves and work.

[00:01:09] EL: This is the Global GoalsCast.

[00:01:10] CG: The podcast that asks: ‘Can we change the world?’

[00:01:14] EL: Welcome. I’m Edie Lush.

[00:01:16] CG: And I am Claudia Romo Edelman.

[00:01:17] EL: And this episode we’re going to introduce you to what the Sustainable Development Goals are and who we are…

[00:01:23] CG: And this is actually our Episode 0 which is quite amazing because we want to tell you what are the Sustainable Development Goals or global goals and why should you care.

[00:01:32] EL: They are a plan. They are the world’s to-do list.

[00:01:36] CG: And the master plan for the future of the planet and its people and the reason why this is so historic, it is because you took actually 193 countries to agree on what are the real steps that we need to do and change so that we can provide everyone with what they have the right to have which is education, health, a future in which people can smile and see a river…

[00:02:00] EL: With clean air, clean water.

[00:02:03] CG: The promises Edie of the Sustainable Development Goals and we are going to call them the Global Goals in this program are three basic fundamental issues that are behind those 17 goals which are, first of all this is the first ever generation that can eradicate extreme poverty for the world. The second one is that this is the last generation that can stop and mitigate the impact of climate change. And lastly but really importantly that we can elevate the playing field of the world for all not only for the few and that’s the promise of the Global Goals and that’s why we’re so excited about this plan. And by the way Edie, this is the only plan that we have, we have no plan B..

[00:02:48] EL: Because there is no planet B

[00:02:50] CG: There’s no planet B either. So what we’re going to be having here is talking about the people that are making the progress that were advancing these Sustainable Development Goals started in 2015 and they’re going for 15 years. So are we going to be telling you the stories of those companies, individuals and corporations that are making progress there are, you know like, working day and night to make sure that we have a better gender policy on everything and the rights for everyone. And some people, as you mentioned, have done these things but never knew that they belong to something called the SDGs].

[00:03:23] EL: And that’s what I think is amazing and as we’ve been preparing these first couple episodes, I’ve gotten to interview the people who are out there working in the field, they’re working in the places where there is the most extreme poverty in the world. People like Jeanetta originally from Oregon who now lives in India and she’s the co-founder of the Shree Nityanada Education Trust which works with rural people on getting clean water, on educating girls and boys and keeping them in school. So when I spoke to her she hadn’t actually heard about the Sustainable Development Goals.

[00:03:57] CG: And it’s great to know if we are able to connect through this podcast the people that are doing their work, the organizations that are doing the efforts and actually put them together and understand that this is part of a global master plan, there is going to be a more like yeah we belong to a movement of changing the world and making it better because it’s possible. So why are we doing this podcast and what is it that we want to achieve?

[00:04:20] EL: Yeah! This is what we’re not. We’re not super boring in fact we are not boring at all.

[00:04:25] CG: Not at all.

[00:04:26] EL: We’re super interesting and fun and we’re going to tell you three things that you really need to know about each one of our topics so when we get to migration we’re going to tell you the three most interesting things that you need to remember about migration, something you’d want to go to a dinner party or tell your grandmother or your best friend about.

[00:04:41] CG: We are not a propaganda too of the United Nations or any country either. We are not NGOish, boring, sleeping pill but we are fun, music, entertainment and rigor applied to making sure that people understand why these issues are so important. So why did we start doing this podcast?

[00:05:00] EL: So I met you in fact at the World Economic Forum in Davos last January and I interviewed you and it was one of the greatest experiences I have had because I actually had never heard about the Sustainable Development Goals until I had interviewed you. And after that Stan Stalnaker, who is the founder of Hub Culture, said ‘you guys should do a podcast’ and that’s where this started.

[00:05:23] CG: And it triggered me because there is a great deal of progress in the world and there is a great deal of people that voices need to be heard but there was no platform and I think that everyone in the world is sick of hearing bad news and actually getting all dark and everything that we’re not doing right. But guess what? There is a great deal of beauty and there’s a great deal of hope that is out there and there are a great deal of people that are trying every time hard. And what we’re going to be doing is providing that platform, telling that story, telling those stories and allow people to listen from each other because it is so important to feel that what you’re doing, you’re not doing alone and that little flame in your heart that says like ‘I want to do more, I want to get engaged myself but am only one individual, how do I do it?’ Well guess what? There’s a thousand people like you that just need to know what are the things that you can be doing today? And also as governments are trying to implement these humongous challenges they need public support to commit to action because this world will not change if we don’t commit to action so that’s actually the promise of this podcast.

[00:06:32]EL: We’re going to tell you important things you need to know and we’re also going to tell you exactly what you can do about it. So we’re going to give you actions that you can go out and implement for each one of our episodes, for each one of our topics whether it’s migration, education, climate change.

[00:06:49] CG: Those are the Global Goals, this is the podcast. Who are we? I’m going to introduce Edie Lush, my co-host. Edie Lush is a journalist from America that lives in London so it makes it fun to actually have to find the time in which we can record together. She is a coach and a trainer and I love that aspect of Edie. That’s one of the things that started making me fall in love with her. It’s so interesting to see how many people have you changed their life through your coaching and your training by telling them how to tell stories, what to be a storyteller so Edie is a business journalist & entrepreneur herself that specializes in entrepreneurship and tech and we together have to create that website called because I never can find her.

[00:07:31] EL: And also I will mention that quite often you call me from some very interesting and fun places, when I’m at home in the rain in London. So just so that I can introduce Claudia as well. She started off as a journalist and she’s also been a diplomat and she also has worked for the World Economic Forum for the United Nations and her specialties have been children refugees and public health. I think it’s also worth pointing out that we are both migrants, we’re both mothers, we spend a lot of time with our families as well as out there working.

[00:08:02] CG: So, mother, migrant, entrepreneur and we met in the activism world to make sure that we created a female-led podcast called the Global GoalsCast that will have 24 episodes, twice a month launching in January. Thank you for listening.

[00:08:17] EL: And if you want to make sure you never miss a show subscribe to us at our website, iTunes or where ever you get your podcasts. And please follow us on Twitter Instagram and Facebook @GlobalGoalscast. We’ll give you the latest news and developments.

[00:08:34] CG: I am Claudia Romo Edelman.

[00:08:36] EL: And I’m Edie Lush, the Global GoalsCast.

[00:08:47] Thanks to all our U.N. and NGO partners. We are also grateful for the support of Hub Culture Freuds Communication, SAS, Saatchi & Saatchi and CBS New Digital.